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« on: Saturday 10 November 07 19:42 GMT (UK) »
Can anyone please help me find:

Samuel Smith b abt 1861 in Malvern     Basketmaker - living McIntyre Road, Worcester
Eliza his wife  b abt 1862

They are listed with their 8 children in 1901 in Worcester but I cant for the life of me find them prior to that.

They should have Percy, Bertram, Richard and Walter with them in 1891. My Grandfather said he grew up with Sam Smith in Guarlford, nr Malvern.

I sorry to ask but I'm going cross eyed, thank you.

Mike
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« Reply #1 on: Saturday 10 November 07 19:49 GMT (UK) »
Samuel Smith and Eliza and 8 children appear in the 1901 census. He is a basketmaker.
Prior to that I cant find them, they should be in the Malvern/Worcester area.

Please can anyone find a reference prior to this.

The children are Percy, Bertram, Richard, Walter, Gladys,   these next three are less than 10 in 1901 Ada, Harry and Lizzie so wont appear prior to the 1901.

Thank you

Mike
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Re: Missing SMITHS Malvern Worcs
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 10 November 07 19:57 GMT (UK) »
1891 - RG12/2357; Folio 32; Page 30 - Northfield Parish - Edgbaston district
11, Pershore Avenue
 
Samuel Smith 30  Head Basket Maker Grt Malvern
Elena G Smith 32  Wife Dressmaker Blockhouse Parish, Worcester 
Percey S Smith 9  son Worcester
Bertram J Smith 7 son do
Richard J Smith 6  son do
Walter C Smith 3  son do
Glady M G Smith 1 dau Grt Malvern
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 10 November 07 20:11 GMT (UK) »


Hi Mike,

Here they are in 1891 .. ..

1891 census:
RG12/2357, Folio 32, Page 30

Worcestershire, Northfield
11, Pershore Avenue

Samuel Smith, h. mar, 30, Basket Maker, b. Gt Malvern
Elina G, wife, 32, Dressmaker, b. Blockhouse Parish, Worcester
Percey S, son, 9 b. Worcester
Bertram J, son, 7
Richard J, son, 6
Walter C, son, 3
Glady M G, dau, 1, b. Gt Malvern

All others born in Worcester.

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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 10 November 07 20:14 GMT (UK) »
sigh .....

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,267282.0.html
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Missin SMITHS Worcestershire
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 10 November 07 20:23 GMT (UK) »



Oh Newf!  Undecided

I have Samuel in 1881 as well .. .. hoping this will work?

http://www.rootschat.com/links/026u/

Kind regards,

Pels
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Re: Missin SMITHS Worcestershire
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 11 November 07 09:42 GMT (UK) »
I am sorry about the double post.

I was halfway through the first message when my internet connection went off. I resumed and got a message from the board that my post was not successful as it had no title and no message. So I started again only to find the first message had posted.

Perhaps the moderator could remove one of them please.

Thank you for this link, I had lost all hope of finding them. Mind you I was fixed on the local area and had not looked further afield. Perhaps a mesage for us all there?


Thank again
Mike
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Re: Missin SMITHS Worcestershire
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 11 November 07 09:53 GMT (UK) »


Mike sometimes these things do happen - I sent the same PM to
the same person twice yesterday because something similar happened to me!  Grin

Would you like me to see if I can find Samuel in 1871?

Kind regards,

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 11 November 07 09:55 GMT (UK) »
No problem Mike - as Pels says, she does it all the time ....   Tongue Tongue
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Missin SMITHS Worcestershire
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 11 November 07 10:13 GMT (UK) »



Grin Roll Eyes Grin Roll Eyes Grin

1861 census:
RG9/2097, Folio 9, Page 12

Worcestershire, Gt Malvern
Clevelode ? Cottage

Joseph Smith, h. mar, 46, Fisherman, b. Bewdley
Mary, wife, 46, Worcs, Malvern
Richard, son, 10, Scholar
Ellen, dau, 7, do
Sarah, dau, 5, do
Samuel, son, 8 mths

All born in Malvern

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Re: Missin SMITHS Worcestershire
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 11 November 07 10:20 GMT (UK) »
Oooh I feel so useless sometimes.

I.ve search for hours and not found him.

Yes it is Clevelode, thats where the basket makers used to work. My Grandfather used to help the salmon fishermen on the river Severn at Clevelode.

All this started from a conversation recorded at my 21st birthday party, (1961) when my wife's adopted parents met my Grandad. We have only just succeded in gettiing it off a very old reel to reel tape recorder and onto the PC to edit it.  They talked about Sam Smith who was the father of my wife's adopted Mum, and set off this wild goose chase.

Many thanks.

Mike
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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 11 November 07 10:36 GMT (UK) »

1871 census:
RG10/3055, Folio 27, Page 47

Worcestershire, Malvern
Cleveload

Joseph Smith, h. mar, 53, Fisherman, b Bewdley, Worcs
Mary, wife, 53, b. Cleveload, Worcs
Ritchard, son, 19, Gardener
Samuel, son, 11, Scholar
Alice, dau, 8
Thos Nurn, boarder, 12, Fisherman
George Hide, servant, 2, Gen Servant

Why the enumerator has stated George was a servant at the age
of 2 ..  Cheesy

All born in Cleveload

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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 11 November 07 10:49 GMT (UK) »
I found his dad in 1851 - I actually found him, yes I found him, hooray for me. LOL
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Have you found him in 1841 though?  Grin Grin Grin
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