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Tees
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Hi Rootschatters,
Last Friday, my aunt got a letter from the Vital Records saying that they could not find a death record on her Father despite the fact that we are certain that he died in 1973 according to the SSDI (SS Death Indexes).
Seeing that we do not have a central BMD indexes like the UK or Scotland even Ireland do.
How do we proceed from this point to find out where and when/how he died in 1973. Any idea??
My aunt's mother divorced him back in 1968 but they did not live as the family unit from mid-1950s. Little is known about her father.
We would like to bring a closure to her parents as her mother had passed on years ago. She never know what happened to her father.
Would appreciate your help with this diffcult chapter in her life.
Kind regards,
Tees
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avm228
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Last Friday, my aunt got a letter from the Vital Records saying that they could not find a death record on her Father despite the fact that we are certain that he died in 1973 according to the SSDI (SS Death Indexes).
Hello Tees,
Who exactly was this letter from? As you say there is no centralised Vital Records agency in the US.
What exactly does the SSDI entry say? It will usually give a last known residence which can provide a starting point for research (local obituaries etc) even if it wasn't the place of death.
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Tees
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Hi Anna,
The letter was from the NYC Vital Record office. (Vital Record office is the LRO in your country but there are a lot of different names for the LROs in this country depending on where you live)
The information on SSDI just stated that he died in 1973 and no mention of the place at all.
My aunt once called the SSA to see if they could help with her search for her Father's death. They refused to help her unless she could produce her Father's social security card which she does not have. She only wanted to know when and where he died so she could send for the death certificate herself.
Funny thing is that the SS made the deceased persons' information "public" on their SSDI according to them, the information is "open" for they are dead.
Kind regards,
Tees
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Hi Rootschatters,
Here is the information:
Michael Costigan
Born: 17 November 1914
Died: 18 October 1973
SSN: (set of number)
SSN Issued in New York
No mention of where he died.
We know he was in Brooklyn, NY according to the divorce papers issued in 1968. And he is the only Michael Costigan who was born in 1914 based on the census information and the British marriage certificate.
Sadly, we cannot obtain his birth certificate to see if the birth date is his without furnishing a proof that he is deceased. Hence our request here...
Wondering if someone here could kindly used their wonderful skills on Internet to scour for any clue or information on where he may have lived between 1968 and 1973 or any information would be appreciated.
Kind regards,
Tees
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avm228
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Was he the Michael Wallace Costigan of New York, b 1914, who enlisted for WWII service on 6 Sep 1942?
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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Answering my own question, the details of Michael Wallace Costigan would seem to fit with the SSDI information, which gives a middle initial of W.
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Tees
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Anna,
Yes, you got him. Yes, that's him in the enlistment papers.
The SSDI indexes on the Family Search.org does not show his middle name as W.
Fascinating! Will have to call the Vital Records office to see if they DO have a Michael W. Costigan as opposed to Michael Costigan. Strangely, we give them his SSN on the form--it should confirm that he is ours, right?
Kind regards,
Tees
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avm228
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If they do have a Michael W Costigan then I should think you can be confident you've got your man. One would hope that in searching for Michael they would also have looked for Michael with middle initial, but you never know! Trouble is, the US is a big place and presumably he might have died in any State.
Will keep thinking as to how to pin down place of death, in case NY doesn't bear fruit.
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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Have you considered contacting the Social Security Administration to see whether the file from which the SSDI reference is taken contains any information which might take you further?
See:
http://tinyurl.com/282jlh
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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shellyesq
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Perhaps he died outside of the city and you need to try the NY State vital records? Also, NY City is very close to other states, such as New Jersey and Connecticut, so it is not impossible that someone could be living in NYC and working in another state.
If you could get someone to check city directories or phone books from that time, it might help. Sometimes, there are directories online, but they're usually older than that.
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Tees
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Hi Anna,
Thanks for that link. Someone told here once that getting the information from the SSA is not going to help me in finding out where he died.
Honestly, my aunt once contacted them years ago and they told her that she must provided them with his original social security card which she does not have.
Hi Shellyesq,
That is what the NYC Vital Records told me recently--I was on the phone for an hour trying to get ahold of a right person.
A helpful person finally answered my questions after speaking with a very rude and unhelpful person. I was told that it does not matter if I include his middle name or not--they will only search on the surnames and the date of death. If it popped on the screen, then they will issue the death record.
I explained the situation to her and she said if they were not able to find the death record. That means they do not have one. And I was advised to contact the State of NY for the death record.
I also thought about New Jersey. Will try both.
The telephone book is a good idea but death can be anywhere, you know?
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Tees
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avm228
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He may have died in Virginia (VA) 
Unfortunately, I don't think that's what it means - see this extract from the website at http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ssdi/fields.html
"Some search results will show codes or abbreviations, usually in parentheses such as (72) or (PE). These are internal codes used by the Social Security Administration and can be ignored. The abbreviation VA does not mean Virginia or Veterans' Administration. For more information on these codes, see http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0202602125."
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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shellyesq
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If your goal is to find his parents' names and go backwards, then requesting a copy of his Social Security application might help. It also may include a place of employment. He likely changed jobs in the interim, but it might be a helpful clue to find more information.
I saw the same thing about (VA) that avm228 mentioned, so, unfortunately, it seems like it doesn't give you any information. Usually, the SSDI has a specific town listed if there's a last residence.
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