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Re: Independent Church Ruabon
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 28 November 07 12:54 GMT (UK) »

Hi Heather

Thanks for looking at these although I must confess that I have got most of this info via IGI apart from witnesses etc.  However on the IGI there are 2 Elizabeths, the one you quote and then another 15/2/1803 to the same parents so one can assume the younger Elizabeth didn't survive long.

Keep em coming though, this is great!

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Re: Independent Church Ruabon
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 28 November 07 19:01 GMT (UK) »

Hi Doggy
The records I have for Ruabon do not cover 1803, so I guess Elizabeth mark 2 must be the one. Smiley

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CARRINGTON, ROBERTS, WILLIAMS, FOULKES, WYNN, BLUNT, JONES Denbighshire. 
DAVIES, OWEN, JONES, WILLIAMS, THOMAS, EVANS, MORGAN, SOLOMAN, GRIFFITHS  Caernarfonshire & Anglesey
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APPLETON, MALTHOUSE, GLOVER Hertfordshire
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Re: Independent Church Ruabon
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 28 November 07 19:37 GMT (UK) »

Hi

This is the Elizabeth bpt - from other thread:

Hi Doggy



Elizabeth Drury rings a bell. Have you asked about her ever?

Elizabeth Drury, b. 15 February 1803, bpt. 18th Feb. d. of John and Mary, Morton Below, Ruabon


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Re: Independent Church Ruabon
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 28 November 07 20:36 GMT (UK) »

Hi

Just to let you know that I have found BrynLlewenydd via another source and Gadget was right it was a farmhouse and very local:

According to Palmer's "The History of the Parish of Ruabon":
"Bryn Llewenydd is the name of a farmhouse within the area in Dinhinlle Issa, now called simply The Bryn".

And in "Remembering Ruabon":
"Bryn Llawenydd. The house is dated 1749 perhaps with earlier origins, re-modelled in the early part of the 19th century with extensions to the rear."
When Penylan Church was built in 1889, as a private church for the Penylan Estate, the chaplain lived at Bryn Llawenydd. It was later used by the Ormrod family who owned the Penylan Estate.


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Re: Independent Church Ruabon
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 28 November 07 20:41 GMT (UK) »

Grief Doggy

I kept looking at The Bryn and lower Bryn or whatever - all around DI and Cinders etc.  Roll Eyes

Glad you've found it.

My Job Parry was born DI so am used to scanning that area.

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Re: Independent Church Ruabon
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 28 November 07 21:09 GMT (UK) »

Woof

You're all going to get sick of me.  Now to find my John JONES.  Any one able to check if there was a baptism showing Bryn Llawenydd as the address 1800ish.  Longshot but what the hell!

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Re: Independent Church Ruabon
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 28 November 07 21:11 GMT (UK) »

I'd say 1790 -1805 time but Paul might be able to find the death and age. It would be more than likely DI.

However, he could have just been a farm labourer at Bryn whatsit  and not born there!

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« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 28 November 07 21:18 GMT (UK) »

Hmm, the mysterious Paul again.

Let's hope he comes up trumps Wink

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Re: Independent Church Ruabon
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 28 November 07 21:19 GMT (UK) »

Could I ask a question?

How are you sure that the Eliza/Elizabeth Jones b. c. 1839, mother of Edward, was the daughter of Elizabeth Drury and John Jones  Undecided

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Re: Independent Church Ruabon
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 28 November 07 21:23 GMT (UK) »

Meanwhile, I'll go lok for this John Jones  Cheesy

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Re: Independent Church Ruabon
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 28 November 07 21:36 GMT (UK) »

There are about 21 John Jones bpt. 1790 -1802, Ruabon.

However, I've found one  in Crimbal (sic) :

1793 July 12, son of John and Mary

one DI :

August 27 1797 s.of Edward and Anne

This is a bit daft - we need an approximate age!

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« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 28 November 07 21:48 GMT (UK) »

I agree it is a bit daft but good fun.

I need to try and get Eliza's birth cert abd take it from there.  My evidence is through the census returns where an Eliza d/o Elizabeth 1803 plus the other siblings I knew about were all living together so I'm pretty confident.  Next step is the birth cert.  It won't tell me John's age though Sad

I'll keep you posted Smiley
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Re: Independent Church Ruabon
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 28 November 07 21:51 GMT (UK) »

Doggy

- a word of warning and don't build your hopes up. There was another Elizabeth bpt. Ruabon 1839 that I found on the other thread. The cert could be her.

Not everyone registered births in those days.

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Re: Independent Church Ruabon
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 28 November 07 21:55 GMT (UK) »

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My evidence is through the census returns where an Eliza d/o Elizabeth 1803 plus the other siblings I knew about were all living together so I'm pretty confident

But is she the same Eliza who was the mother of Edward?

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Re: Independent Church Ruabon
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 29 November 07 00:26 GMT (UK) »

Hello Gadget Smiley who is it you want me to look for Undecided
I'm a bit confused between the two threads Embarrassed
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