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Newf
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Sigh - that 1871 refn is Thomas, born 'Surrey, Oving' - towards the top of the page at that address ..
What I am 'on about' is the 2Q1873 marriage of an Alfred Uppard in Newcastle - on FreeBMD.
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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gillianR
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Dear Newfster
I already have those marriages in Newcastle, but cannot prove either one of them as I cannot find Alfred with a wife, anywhere except on the free BMD.
Also, I am sorry, but the ref you have given me for 1871, the only Thomas at the top of that page was born 1788 in
Pelpham Sussex and thats not the one I want.
I have started a new topic for him anyway.
I think we are getting frustrated with each other here.
I might just call it a day, as I feel I am getting nowhere at the moment, and just hope as I get more into the Uppard family, the ones I want may just 'pop up', some hopes.
Many thanks
Gill
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Newf
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Dear Newfster - LOL, oh dear.
The ref I gave you has a Thomas Huppert or similar (its some time since I looked), of the exact 1843 DoB - born 'Surrey, Oving' - which is obviously a transcription error for Sussex. On the Enumerators page image that is ....
He is the 3rd name down .... occupation Porter.
Turning to Alfred,I asked about that 1873 Newcastle marriage to see if you had eliminated it by purchasing the Cert and finding it was the wrong father !
I think you'll find that PaulineJ is right and that in fact your man has married the Martha jane on that page, but lets wait for her details.
Not at all frustrated, just trying to give you the info and the benefit of my experience using a Forum
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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PaulineJ
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Ok,
This is the way the theory goes.
Alfred dies Jan qtr 1930 hexham; there's a martha j Uppard who died aged 86 next qtr on.
Based PURELY on the observation that married couples often died within a short period of each other.
Who is Martha j with in 1901? ans: Thomas , b Chichester.
in 1891 she's again with Thomas.
In 1881 they are together as "Pippard"
Can't find a local marriage of Thomas Uppard to a Martha J. ..
Alfred's possible spouses are Martha jane and Hannah.
Martha Jane has a typically sussex surname.
Mrs Uppard (on census) is also from Sussex.
I think Alfred may have preferred to use 'thomas' in day-to-day life.
Pauline
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All census look up transcriptions are Crown Copyright ====================================== Brown 1800 Dover -> Woolwich (Kent) Barnett 1800 Isleworth -> Woolwich Pannifer 1830 Suffolk -> Deptford Kent Brierley in Staffordshire(Pre-1875) Walters in Middlesex(Pre-1875) Clift,Gould in Devon/Cornwall http://www.freecycle.org/display.php?region=United%20Kingdom |
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Newf
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Looking at the individual Census pages and his Bricklayer ocupation I think thats good PJ 
Oving and Boxgrove being slightly west of Chichester fits well ....
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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gillianR
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I think this is the biggest epic - so far.
When I get back in to Ancestry, I will sort it and get back to you.
Glad I am not making you frustrated, and that you are all still willing to help.
I am signing off now (bath time) I will check back tomorrow pm.
Many Thanks
Gill
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lizdb
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Just re-read this thread about 10 times!
So, Pauline/Newfster are you suggesting that alfred and Thomas are the same guy?
I think that cant be so, cos we clearly have two separate christenings (Alfred 24 Nov1844, Thomas 15 Jan 1843)
There are two marriages
Alfred 1873 to MArtha or Hannah
Thomas 1879 to MAria (gillian has cert)
And it seems there are two deaths
Thomas 1914 in Kensington
Alfred 1930 Hexham
Thomas seems to be in Hexham in 1881, seemingly with Martha, but that could easily be a mistranscription of Maria. Or he could have run off with his brother's wife.
but I dont think they are the same chap.
How about this as one worth looking at for Alfred in 1881? In index as 'Budd' Is there anyone with full access who can if the image could be Uppard?
RG11 1102 87 71
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I would agree that the next step is definitely to get the Alfred marriage cert, to confirm whether or not it is him.
If pennies stretch that far, it would be a wise investment to get the death certs too .
It would show if Thomas's was registered by a wife, to indicate if he remarried after Maria died in 1892
Looks like Alfred and Martha moved up north at some stage. There are other Uppard deaths in Hexham, so probably related.
But Thos and Maria stayed in London area.
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We've previously found at least one sibling of Alfred in Hexham, so I'm pretty convinced that the 1873 northumberland marriage is well within the realms of possibility.
BTW, The census images are unambiguous.
It is quite clearly Thomas and Martha J on all the three in Hexham.
As we all seem to be agreeing, Marriage & Death certs (and maybe electoral rolls c 1930) would be the way to go.
Pauline
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All census look up transcriptions are Crown Copyright ====================================== Brown 1800 Dover -> Woolwich (Kent) Barnett 1800 Isleworth -> Woolwich Pannifer 1830 Suffolk -> Deptford Kent Brierley in Staffordshire(Pre-1875) Walters in Middlesex(Pre-1875) Clift,Gould in Devon/Cornwall http://www.freecycle.org/display.php?region=United%20Kingdom |
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Hi Liz and PJ,
(see also Gill's duplicate thread for Thos b1843)
Thos and Alfred are deffo individuals. Found as such in different census years with diffn wives.
What PJ latched on to and I also saw was that ALF used the name THOMAS from 1881 onward after his 1873 marriage to Martha Jane.
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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Thanks - I see now. Did not know that there was previous info on Thomas! (or Alfred, known as Thomas, or whatever!)
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Newf
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well, there wasnt really
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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...and I thought I was beginning to understand this thread.....!
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Newf
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So whats your conclusion Gill ?
Are you happy about the 1871 chap now - and the fact that Alfred seemed to call himself Thomas ?
Or has it been 'filed'
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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gillianR
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Hi Newfster
I am waiting for the certificates for Alfred's marriage to Martha Jane and Thomas's Death certificate.
Will let you know how I feel when I get them.
Thanks for asking
Cheers
Gill
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