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Newf
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and the 1871 census - where the chap from Oving was a Porter ?
1871 - RG10/597; Folio: 65; Page: 30 - St Saviour district, Southwark
121-123 Boro High Street
Could you read it OK in the end ?
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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gillianR
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Hi Newfster
Yes, I managed to read it okay
Many thanks
Gill
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gillianR
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Hi there
I have just received Thomas Uppard's Death Certificate, which reveals nothing. The informant was J Merchant who was the Steward at Marylebone Infirmary, so we still do not know for sure about his wife. 
I have not yet received Alfred Uppard's marriage certificate to Martha, should be here tomorrow (Saturday)
Bye for now
Gill
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I usually find Death Certs disappointing - occasional useful stuff like address / occupation, but have never had the 'right' Informant 
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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gillianR
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Hi Newfster
Hi there.
Well, apart from giving up, I don't really know what to do next.
I have all the info given me by various inputters, so, the latest as I see it, regarding Thomas/Alfred Uppard, is probably to send for the death cert for Alfred who died in 1930, BUT, if he preferred to use the name Thomas, as was suggested, then he is on census returns with Martha J for
1891, 1881 (name of Pippard) and 1901 suggesting that his wife WAS Martha J.
As we already know about Thomas Uppard from the death cert just received, he never did remarry. He only had the one wife, Maria, for whom I have the marriage cert.
And Maria died BEFORE him anyway.
As for the marriage of Alfred Uppard and Martha Jane , the GRO do not have an entry of marriage for them 
and I cannot find a marriage between Thomas and Martha J, so as has been suggested, Alfred and Thomas ARE two individual people.
I have found the death of Martha J Uppard in 1930, Apr. May, June Qtr, after the death of Alfred - so, Should I send for Alfred's death Cert, to see if she was the informant?
I cannot find a marriage for Thomas Uppard to a Martha J
There is also a Hannah Hawthorne who married an Alfred Uppard.
I am in a worse quandry now than ever, so I hope you can understand all of this?
Gill (very confused)
Best of luck to us all 
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As for the marriage of Alfred Uppard and Martha Jane , the GRO do not have an entry of marriage for them
Are you saying that this Refn was rejected by the GRO ?
Marriages Jun 1873
Brown John Newcastle T.
Hawthorn Hannah Newcastle T
LONGLANDS Martha Jane Newcastle T. Vol 10b Page 43
UPPARD Alfred do do do
From the census finds, I think you can eliminate Hannah - she probably marriued John Brown !
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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Hi Newfster
Yes, I have checked Hannahs marriage and it was to John Brown, as I wanted to try elimination.
The Apr May June Qtr of 1873 is missing, which is probably why the GRO could not find a marriage for Alfred and Martha J. and yes, this reference was rejected.
Please confirm that you are saying 'send for death cert for Alfred 1930?
Gill
Gill
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No, I'm not saying that ! 
Surprised that the GRO are saying that 2Q 1873 is missing ! - that implies a helluva lot of missing records behind the Index entries that we see !
When you ordered the Cert, how much info did you give ? Just wondering if they rejected the order due to spelling variations ? Did you specify both parties names in full - or just the mans name ?
I wonder if you emailed Newcastle RO direct with no use of the GRO reference, what the answer would be ?
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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Hi Newfster
Yes, I gave both parties names, but I have just looked at 'Find My Past' web site, and they are showing that they have the Apr.May.June Qtr for 1873 - cost of £6 odd to view
but that gives me credits for 90 days, not sure what to do
But as you suggest, yes, I will try Newcastle reg office first, and see what happens.
Thanks
Gill
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Gill - you need to understand that the BMD data online is just Indexes ...... so for example in the post I did earlier the 4 names are on the same Marriage Index page. You dont know without purchasing a Certificate who married who - unless, as in this case you have clues from a later census.
So its no use trying another site, its just the same INDEX info that they all have, subject perhaps to some transcription differences.
The fact I could paste in that Index entry from FreeBMD means that the INDEX data exists - you implied that the GRO told you they had no actual marriage info behind the INDEX !
Order it again, just using the name ALFRED UPPARD; NEWCASTLE Vol 10b Page 43.
Or go direct to Newcastle RO and give them the fact that it was in the 2Q of 1873 .... they will search it out (they dont use GRO VOL / PAGE references)
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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Newfster
Done!!!
Have just e.mailed Newcastle but not given the GRO number.
Lets hope
Gill
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Hi Newfster
I am very happy to say that all the UPPARD family is now complete, well, that is, except for ALFRED born 1844
and THOMAS born 1843.
I am accepting that Thomas was married to Maria Abby. and never remarried.
As for Alfred and Martha J, whom we found, I just don't know, as we could not find the marriage for them.
I wrote to Newcastle direct, as suggested, but as yet, I have heard nothing.
I think I am going to have to leave at the back of my folder -
pending.
I would like to say to Ian C who sent me the 1901 with Rose Hubbart on with the RUGG family, that the mentioned Edea May is not of the Uppard family, her surname is MAY, as
I have checked it out.
Many thanks
Gill
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Hi Gill, theres a local Newcastle RO transcription which shows that they did marry ......
As for Alfred and Martha J, whom we found, I just don't know, as we could not find the marriage for them.
There is no reason why - that I can see - that the GRO wont issue the Cert (unless theres a spelling variation) - and now you can deffo get it from Newcastle ...
Hope it all works out !
Cheers, N.
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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To everyone
Maybe I am not so brave, but for now I feel I cannot go any further, well, not until the 1911 comes out
I have gone from 1737 - 1916. Okay, I do still have the Alfred problem, but at least that is the only one for now.
I have been with you since 2005, and I want to say a BIG THANK YOU, to everyone for all your time and effort put in over the last 3 years (nearly) with a lot of my family search.
I just popped into your chat room (first time) and was made most welcome.
Once again, many many thanks, you really are ALL appreciated.
Have a good Christmas (if I don't call on you before then 
and a Happy New Year 
Cheers
Gill
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