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2 Hepzibah Bailey Birth dates
« on: Friday 30 November 07 16:59 GMT (UK) »


Hepzibah Bailey was born 7 Oct 1821 , daughter of James and Lydia Bailey.
On I GI there is a James Bailey married to Lydia Smith June 1802. The IGI shows them with several children born between 1803 to 1809 and includes one Hepzibah born 1804.
My question is whether the child born in 1804 had died and is it likely that Lydia Bailey( nee Smith)  and James continued adding to their family with a second Hepzibah in 1821?
Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: 2 Hepzibah Bailey Birth dates
« Reply #1 on: Friday 30 November 07 17:28 GMT (UK) »

Prue,   The IGI have two extracted entries from the Sharnbrook PR so I would say they are genuine baptisms. I will check the PR when I get home tonight to see if there is a burial between 1804 & 1812.

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Re: 2 Hepzibah Bailey Birth dates
« Reply #2 on: Friday 30 November 07 17:32 GMT (UK) »

Hi Prue
I think it highly likely that the second Hepzibah belongs to the same couple. Widowed Lydia is living in Sharnbrook with her son Smith Bailey in 41/51 - this would suggest that she is the Lydia Smith  that married James Bailey in 1802. As well as 2 Hepzibahs they had 2 Smiths (or possibly 3 as the Smith living with her is only 25 in 51 and the last Smith Bailey baptism was in 1817). However it is possible James married again to a second Lydia but I can only see the one marriage. I'm sure someone can help you out with relevant deaths. And someone already has!
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Re: 2 Hepzibah Bailey Birth dates
« Reply #3 on: Friday 30 November 07 17:57 GMT (UK) »

Hephzibah Bailey age 16 buried at Sharnbrook on 27 Nov 1819.
Smith Bailey age 1 buried 10 Sept 1816
Smith Bailey age 6 mths buried 6 Feb 1818

There's no James Bailey buried in Sharnbrook. The closest is James Bailey 70 on 21 Apr 1826 at Souldrop which is only a mile from Sharnbrook, but he looks a tad on the old side

John - was he a widower on marriage in 1802, and was he of Souldrop? (Actually I think you'd better forget my Souldrop theory. The Elizabeth who married James there wasn't buried until 1823 age 78, so it looks as though the James age 70 was the one who married in 1774)

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Re: 2 Hepzibah Bailey Birth dates
« Reply #4 on: Friday 30 November 07 18:26 GMT (UK) »


Hi,

Thanks Jan and John for your help. the gap between the first births and the second made me doubtful but now with the burial dates of the first children it looks right.
I haven't any verified dates for James Bailey but a possible birth  abt.1777
any details would be great.
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Re: 2 Hepzibah Bailey Birth dates
« Reply #5 on: Friday 30 November 07 19:00 GMT (UK) »

You're welcome

You can forget the 1777 birth. That's just a guess by the LDS member who submitted the entry. If they don't know the baptism details they deduct 25 years from the marriage date if its the groom, or 21 years if it's the bride, to arrive at the birth year, which can be hopelessly inaccurate. To compound the problem they also put the parish of the marriage as the birthplace of the party - this too is is usually wrong.

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Re: 2 Hepzibah Bailey Birth dates & a Partridge in a peartree
« Reply #6 on: Friday 30 November 07 19:10 GMT (UK) »

Here's an interesting bit you'll never seen in an online database.

From Sharnbrook PR baptism on  27 Feb 1804 of Hephzibah, daughter of Jas & Lydia Bailey *

* This entry has a footnote. "Only named Christened in the church June 20th 1806 entered here by mistake in my absence. T.W.Ward vicar"

June 20th 1806 has baptism of Robert son of Jas & Lydia Bailey

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Re: 2 Hepzibah Bailey Birth dates
« Reply #7 on: Friday 30 November 07 19:16 GMT (UK) »

David, the 1802 marriage does not say James is a widower.

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Re: 2 Hepzibah Bailey Birth dates
« Reply #8 on: Friday 30 November 07 21:44 GMT (UK) »

One of James & Lydia's children Sarah chr Aug 16 1803 was buried 18 Sept 1803 Sharnbrook.

Going back further to Sept 29 1737 there is a Thomas Bayley who married Eliz Woodham, Now I know someone with interest in Woodhams  !

Could James be son of Robert & Elizabeth Bailey, pauper; he was baptised in Bletsoe 25 Sept 1785

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Re: 2 Hepzibah Bailey Birth dates
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 01 December 07 15:18 GMT (UK) »


Thanks for the parish Register note it makes it more interesting.
I can't  find James Bailey in the 1841 Census.   Although Lydia is listed with Joseph and Smith Bailey both age 15.   35 year old Robert is on the same page and his family on the following page. Would Lydia have been listed as a widow if James was dead?
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Re: 2 Hepzibah Bailey Birth dates
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 01 December 07 15:37 GMT (UK) »

Hi Prue
Sadly the 1841 doesn't give marital status. I've had a look for James too but can't see him. What about Hepzibah, would she have been married by 1841? There is a Hepzibah Bailey but she is 30, she is living with a Joseph age 60 in Souldrop.
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Re: 2 Hepzibah Bailey Birth dates
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 01 December 07 16:37 GMT (UK) »

On the 1841 census, the Hepzibah Bailey that Jan found is daughter of Simon Headland, she was christened Souldrop 24/May 1807. A Epzibah Bailey married Daniel Edwards at Knotting on 25/12/1849.

Daniel Edwards was previously married to Elizabeth b 1806 Not in Beds

Also a John Bailey married Temperance Edwards on 22/Mar 1798 in Knotting

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Re: 2 Hepzibah Bailey Birth dates
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 01 December 07 17:19 GMT (UK) »


Hi,
I have Hepzibah married to Joseph Whiting  2nd June 1852 in Olney . I think this is  right as on Emily Whiting's marriage certificate she gives Joseph Whiting as her father,  I suspect he is her grandfather as her mother Elizabeth is unmarried.
On  a very faint page of 1841 Census I think it shows Hepzibah as Hessey age 20. I have not found her in 1851. Still searching, thanks for helping.
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Re: 2 Hepzibah Bailey Birth dates
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 01 December 07 17:29 GMT (UK) »

Prue, That ties in with the 1861 census, in Olney, Bucks

RG9/874  Folio: 57  Page: 26.

Joseph Whiting age 30 born Horton Northants, married to Hepzibah age 39 born Sharnbrook, with children Thomas 7, James 3 & John 1

On the 1851 in Olney is Joseph Whiting, unmarried age 20 born Gt Houghton  (which is different to, but very close to Horton) - he's a lodger - along with John Whiting age 22.

HO107/1723  Folio: 580  Page: 3
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Re: 2 Hepzibah Bailey Birth dates
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 01 December 07 17:35 GMT (UK) »

The 1841 taken from the CDrom set shows her quite clearly as Hepsey Bailey 20 FS born in county, in the household of Joseph Eaton, 65, although looking at the image on Ancestry it's faint but still quite discernible as Hepsey

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