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osprey
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Well, that is a bit of a mystery. If you have birth certificates for at least one of the Shepherds and at least one of the Sharps to show that this is the same family, then why the change of name is another matter.
As there is a move involved as well, did George/John get into trouble?
Was there the possibility of a legacy which would only come to a Sharp? Have you looked for wills?
The newspapers and the County Record Office are probably your best bet, but if there's no intention to deceive, there's nothing to stop you changing your name.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, James, Russell, Vincent, Donithorn
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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D Sharpie
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Hi Osprey,
We have the marrage cert for Jane Foulston and George Shepherd, and the death cert for John Sharp and Jane Sharp and awaite the birth cert for Mary Charlotte Shepherd. It's the same family alright, but why the name change?
According to other family it could be something to do with a gamekeeper and poachers, someone being shot etc, but we cannot find any evidence of this. George was a labourer when he lived in North Muskham, and his father Thomas was a gardener accourding to census, so where the gamekeeper stuff comes in I dont know.
And if a family member did something bad why did they not all change their surname?
Also notice his eldest son is called George Thomas. Although Thomas is not his first name, it's still there, so did George fall out with the rest of the family? I'm not sure.
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Could the poaching have been on a large local estate? There might be records of the estate, or there might have been a court case which would produce records and would have been reported in the local papers.
But, it might be one of those things that you will never know for sure.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, James, Russell, Vincent, Donithorn
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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One other route we could go down is tracing one of the older girls relatives. We know that Christiana Shepherd married a Henry Harrison in Southwell in 1881, but I dont have acess to census to see if I could find where she lived or if she had children, and if they had children etc. I wondered if one of these might have been told the reason why.
Would be an idea to try and get her marrage cert because it would say who and what her father was/did. Seems funny that Christiana married as a Shepherd and Mary Charlotte changed her name to Sharp. I'm not sure about the elder girl, Emma Jane, as there does not seem to be alot of info about her......
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this looks like their marriage
Henry Harrison dec qtr 1881 East Retford vol 7b pg 29 with Christiana Shepherd on the same page
1891 Carol Gate, East Retford RG12/2640 folio 84 pg 9
Henry Harrison head mar 30 fish & game dealer b. East Retford
Christiana wife 26 shopwoman b. Muskham
Lilian dau 6
John H son 5
Horace son 3
Fanny dau 2
all children b. Retford
1901 62 Carol Gate RG13/3121 folio 36 pg 28
Henry Harrison head mar 40 fish & game dealer b. Retford
Christiana wife 36 b. North Muskham
Lilian dau 16
John Henry son 15
Horace son 13
Fanny dau 12
Walter son 9
Fred son 6
Hilda dau 1
all children b. Retford
Haven't spotted Christiana so far in 1881. I'll look again and for Emma. I don't know if you can infer anything from the names - no George, but there is a John
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Cornwall: Bosisto, James, Russell, Vincent, Donithorn
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Well, Stephen has reverted to Foulston
marriage
Stephen Thomas Foulstone dec qtr 1877 Sheffield vol 9c pg 734 with Sarah Ann Burley on the same page
1881 24 Littlemoor St, Doncaster RG11/4689 folio 95 pg 8
Stephen T Foulston head mar 25 railway signalman b. Notts, Besthorpe
Sarah A wife 25 b. Notts, Lound
Jane E dau 3 b. Notts, Thrupston (? - should be Thrumpton?)
Stephen T son 9 months b. Doncaster
birth reg
Jane Eliza Foulston june qtr 1878 E Retford vol 7b pg 12
forgot to say Ordsall where John & Jane are in 1881 would come under the East Retford registration district and is only a mile from Retford according to Genuki.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, James, Russell, Vincent, Donithorn
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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1881 Mary C Sharp aged 15 is a domestic servant in the household of William Savage, Gravel Mount, Ordsall RG11/3303 folio 77 pg 28
1891 Poplar St, Ordsall RG12/2641 folio 94 pg 13
Richard Worthington head mar 28 bricklayer b. Boughton
Mary C wife 23 b. Retford
George son 4 months b. Retford
marriage
Richard Worthington june qtr 1890 East Retford vol 7b pg 1890 with Mary Charlotte Shephard on the same page
So, this one marries as a Shephard and calls her son George
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Cornwall: Bosisto, James, Russell, Vincent, Donithorn
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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1891 Common Lane, West Retford RG12/2640 folio 117 pg 30
John Tomlinson head mar 38 painter b. Retford
Emma J wife 28 b. Muskham
Grace dau 7 scholar b. Newark
John G son 6 scholar b. Retford
Fanny dau 4 b. Retford
Kathleen dau 2 b. Retford
marriage reg
John Tomlinson sept qtr 1884 East Retford vol 7b pg 31 with Emma Jane Sheppard on the same page
birth reg
John George Tomlinson march qtr 1885 East Retford vol 7b pg 14
named for father and grandfather??
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Cornwall: Bosisto, James, Russell, Vincent, Donithorn
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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1901 round-up
29 South St, Ordsall RG13/3122 folio 89 pg 43
Richard Worthington head mar 39 bricklayer b. Boughton
Charlottte wife 36
William son 9
Jane dau 8
Richard son 6
Louisa dau 1
Harry son 4 months
all born Retford except where stated
57 Spittal Hill, North Retford RG13/3119 folio 14 pg 19
John Tomlinson head mar 44 house painter
Grace dau 17 general servant b. Newark
George son 15 iron moulder's apprentice
Fanny dau 14
Kathleen dau 12
Florrie dau 10
Emma dau 7
Leonard son 5
Dorothy dau 3
all born Retford except where stated
21 Littlemoor St, Doncaster RG13/4410 folio 147 pg 14
Stephen T Foulstone head mar 44 railway signal fitter b. Notts, Besthorpe
Sarah A wife 45 b. Notts, Lound
Jane E dau 22 dressmaker b. Notts, Retford
Stephen T son 20 blacksmith apprentice b. Doncaster
John E son 16 carriage builder apprentice b. Doncaster
Emma J Tomlinson sister mar 37 b. Notts, Muskham
Christina Tomlinson niece 3 months b. Notts, Retford
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Cornwall: Bosisto, James, Russell, Vincent, Donithorn
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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D Sharpie
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WOW osprey well done!!!!
Just a note about Steven Foulston.
It appears he was born out of wedlock to Jane before she ever met George Shepherd when she was young, and we dont know his father but thats why he uses the surname foulston.In fact I dont think he ever changed it did he? She was born in Hiblestow, Lincs. My great grandad was Frederick Foulston Sharp so it was used as a middle name for him. It's definately the same family we just now need to keep going and see if those names you have found give us any new leads.
Perhaps we might not find out what it was, or maybe if we do we might wish we had left well alone!!!
A big THANKYOU again
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Stephen was Sharp in 1871. Emma Jane is enumerated as sister in 1901, and she seems to have taken young Christina visiting, so must have been close.
When I was looking up the family before, I seem to remember that I saw some Foulstone records on the IGI and they were extracted rather than submitted, so more reliable.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, James, Russell, Vincent, Donithorn
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Ok thanks.
Can you see any info on the 1901 census for the other three children whom were Sharps?
George Thomas, Frederick Foulston and Amy? 
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can't identify George in 1891 or 1901. Could he have joined the army or similar?
1891 114 Marcus Street, Brightside Bierlow RG12/3828 folio 138 pg 30
Jane Sharp head mar 53 charwoman b. Lincs, Hibaldstow
Fred son 17 engine stoker (cutlery works) b. Lincs, Brigg
Amy dau 14 metal rubber b. Notts, Retford
1901 108 Marcus St, RG13/4373 folio 82 pg 33
Jane Sharp head widow 63 b. Hilbaldstow
Fred grandson 7 b. Sheffield
Frank Newton boarder 33 fitter's labourer b. Lancs, Denting
best match I can see for grandson's birth
George Frederick Sharp dec qtr 1893 Sheffield vol 9c pg 555
possibility for Fred?
Sheffield Road, Newbold & Dunston, Derbyshire RG13/3250 folio 73 pg 17
Fred Sharpe head mar 28 coal miner b. Newark, Notts
Josephine wife 32 b. Derbyshire, Brimington
Esther Neale mother-in-law widow 64 b. Brimington
Mary A D Neale sister-in-law 24 electric something(?) factory b. Brimington
marriage reg
Fred Sharpe march qtr 1898 Chesterfield vol 7b pg 884 with Josephine Neale on the same page
2/3 Denholme St, Brightside Bierlow RG13/4373 folio 52 pg 19
Frederick Booth head mar 27 general labourer b. Sheffield
Amy E wife 25 b. Notts, Retford
Amelia dau 3 b. Sheffield
marriage
Frederick Booth dec qtr 1896 Sheffield vol 9c pg 796 with Amy Elizabeth Sharp on the same page
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Cornwall: Bosisto, James, Russell, Vincent, Donithorn
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Hi again,
I think that george went to live in newcastle somewhere I'm not sure and Frederick married Elizabeth Amelia Chester (first husbands name) nee Dugher (maiden name)
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