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D Sharpie
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Scrap that bit about George Thomas living in newcastle it was my fathers uncle George (frederick) that did (Frederick Foulston Sharps eldest son)
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osprey
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How did I not spot that marriage? 
Elizabeth Amelia Chester dec qtr 1897 Doncaster vol 9c pg 1325 with Frederick Foulston Sharpe on the same page
1901 11 Ellins Yard, Doncaster (next to Plant Inn) RG13/4410 folio 60 pg 30
Frederick Sharpe head mar 26 railway shunter b. Lincs, Brigg
Elizabeth wife 23 b. Lincs, Stamford
Mary dau 6 b. Doncaster
George son 2 b. Doncaster
Alfred son 1 b. Doncaster
Another son called George! 
Elizabeth Amelia Dugher march qtr 1890 Doncaster vol 9c pg 763 with Arthur Chester on the same page
Death reg
Arthur Chester 35 dec qtr 1896 Doncaster vol 9c pg 458
1891 45 St Swithin's Tce, Doncaster RG12/3862 folio 85 pg 25
Arthur Chester head mar 30 moulder b. Yorks, Auckley
Elizabeth wife 25 b. Stainford
Henry Hughes boarder 20 labourer b. Yorks, Hatfield
Interesting ages for Elizabeth - wonder what she'll be when the 1911 comes out? In her teens?
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Cornwall: Bosisto, James, Russell, Vincent, Donithorn
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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D Sharpie
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Well I did wonder 
Yes I'm sure in the 1911 census she'll be 18!!!
Anyway, I got it wrong again, it was My dad's uncle Alfred that went to Newcastle to live. I'll get there in the end!!!
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D Sharpie
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Hi again! Happy new year to all!!!
Just wanted to firstly update you on a few things. I put the information you found me about the elder Shepherd girls into my genes site and as a result of the I am in contact with the great grandson of Christiana, and the great grandson of Emma Jame!!! Thats a brill result and I just wanted to say thanks again!!
Also, I wondered if you could have a look for any information on the various census for any of George Shepherd's brothers and sisters, and who they married etc, so I can add that too. You never know!! (no one else is aware of any reason to change surname)
Here are the names we have so far:-
Father of George Shepherd was Thomas Shepherd b c1800 maried Charlotte Ellis b 1802 d 1867
His father was William Shepherd b c 1768 married Elizabeth Brown b c1780
George Shepherds siblings were:-
Elizabeth b 1831
William b 1833
James 1834
*George b 1836*
Christopher b 1839
Emma b 1841
Frederick b 1845
Harriott b 1848
It would be great if I could add who they had married and subsequent children etc, as I have with Georges children. Perhaps If any of their desendents are around they might know why he changed his name.
Thanks in anticipation
Diane x 
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osprey
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edited to remove big blank space
I'll give you what I can at the moment, but I might not have time to do them all.
1851 North Muskham Ho107/2135 folio 416 pg 25
Thomas Shepperd head mar 50 gardener
Charlotte wife 44 b. Norwell
George son 15
Chris son 12
Emma dau 10
Frederick son 6
Harriott dau 3
all born North Muskham except where stated
Elizabeth age 21 b. Norwell is a servant in Brant Broughton , Lincs HO107/2136 folio 274 pg 13
William 18 is a servant to the Rector of Southwell, John Murray Wilkins HO107/2134 folio 302 pg 11
James 16 is an apprentice harness maker in Foston Lincs HO107/2138 folio 122 pg 8
1861 Thomas, Charlotte, Frederick and Harriet are still in North Muskham and there is also a 2 year old grandson Frank Sheppard b. Nottingham RG9/2474 folio 101 pg 17
Fletcher's Yard, North Muskham RG9/2474 folio 100 pg 15
William Shepherd head mar 30 ag lab
Ann wife 28 b. Lincs, Hougham
Emma dau 7
Arthur son 4
Eliza dau 1
James Hayse lodger 41 gardener b. Whatton in the Vale
all born North Muskham except where stated
possible for Elizabeth as a dressmaker in Nottingham RG9/5465 folio 84 pg 18
James is a saddler boarding at 4 White Horse St, St George's Hanover Square, Middx
RG9/45 folio 12 pg 24
possible marriage for Emma to Edward Lawley dec qtr 1859 Nottingham vol 7b pg 410 - I've matched the other couple on the page - but, I can't spot them in the census. No sign of Chris either.
1871 North Muskham RG10/3537 folio 32 pg 5
Thomas Shepherd widower 70
Elizabeth dau 39
Frank grandson 12
death reg
Charlotte Shepherd 60 june qtr 1867 Southwell vol 7b pg 168
19 Market Place, Newark RG10/3542 folio 46 pg 2
James Sheppard head mar 37 saddler & harness maker master employing 2 men . Nth Muskham
Ann wife 37 b. Newark
Lydia dau 5 b. Nottingham
Thomas son 3 b. Newark
North Muskham RG10/3537 folio 37 pg 16
William Sheppard head mar 40 carpenter
Ann wife 38 b. Lincs, Hougham
Emma dau 17 dressmaker
Alice dau 7
Ellen dau 3
Rose dau 1
William garland 17 carpenter's apprentice b. Lincs, Fulbeck
all born North Muskham except where stated
Mulberry Place, Liverpool RG10/3783 folio 84 pg 55
Frederick Shepherd 26 unm saddler b. Notts, North Muskham
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Cornwall: Bosisto, James, Russell, Vincent, Donithorn
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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osprey
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what happened there - I've got great big gaps 
1881
Thomas has just died
Thomas Shepherd 81 march qtr 1881 Southwell vol 7b pg 248
Frederick Sheppard is unmarried, a saddler in Newark RG11/3376 folio 70 pg 36
James is in Nottingham, same wife, same children RG11/3353 folio 99 ph 55
Elizabeth has married and is in North Muskham with husband Samuel Waterson, RG11/5372 folio 25 pg 15 - no children
Elizabeth Shepherd dec qtr 1873 Southwell vol 7b pg 683 with Samuel Waterson on the same page
Frank Sheppard is a footman in Whitchurch, Shropshire RG11/2670 folio 30 pg 3
William Shepherd is now a butler in Highclere, Hants probably the family in Highclere Castle - they aren't home, but lots of servants are. He is married to Ann, but possibly not the same one as this one is from Leicestershire, not Lincs.
Ah- just spotted Harriet possibly
1871 14 Chapel yard, Glanford Brigg, Lincs RG10/3429 folio 20 pg 34
Henry Taylor head mar 40 ag lab
Harriette wife 28
William son 9 months
all born North Muskham
Number 18 is the home of John Sharp
can't spot a marriage, but it seems too much of a coincidence. Her age reverts to what is should be in 1881 & 1891, and there are more children including a daughter Charlotte 1891 RG12/2626 folio 28 pg 21
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Cornwall: Bosisto, James, Russell, Vincent, Donithorn
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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D Sharpie
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Well Thats great thatnk you very much. Seems as though the pieces are coming together nicely!!!
If there is any more please let me know. But from what I can see it looks very much like a fall out with the father Thomas to me. For both George and Harriott to be living as close together as they were, and both have altered things about themselves, George his name to John Sharp and Harriott her age. I have seen the marrage certificate for Christiana Shepherd, Georges middle daughter, and she married in 1881, naming her father as John Sharp. The eldest girl married in 1884 (after Thomas had died) and she named him as George Shepherd. Aslo, as yiou point out Harriott reverts to her correct age in 1881 and 1891 (after fathers death!!!) coincidence or not?
Perhaps Thomas did not approve of his daughters partner being alot older than her? Or perhaps he himself did something that made the two of them fall out with him.
Thankyou again
Diane x
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Actually, have been looking for the birth dates of George Thomas Sharp, Frederick Foulston Sharp and Amy Elizabeth Sharp on the free BMD index and I have found Amy and George but can I heck as find Frederick Foulston. Amy was born in East Retford, probably Ordsall, and George is in Glandford Brigg....but where and when was F F born?
Can you shed any light on this anyone???
Thanks
Diane x
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osprey
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Frederic Foulston Sharp june qtr 1874 Glanford Brigg vol 7b pg 683
still not found any trace of Christopher or Emma Sheppard
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Cornwall: Bosisto, James, Russell, Vincent, Donithorn
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Just rechecked William as I thought the change to butler in 1881 was a bit strange, and realised I gave you wrong one. Think I was thrown by the wife being Ann
Also left out 11 year old Eliza from William's family in 1871
1881 Crab lane, North Muskham RG11/3372 folio 19 pg 4
William Sheppard head mar 49 carpenter
Mary A wife 34
Selina R dau 11
Ada dau 4
Mary Lydia dau 1
John Cawthorn father-in-law widower 77 formerly cottager b. Balderton
all born North Muskham except where stated
2nd marriage
William Sheppard march qtr 1877 Nottingham vol 7b pg 289 with Mary Ann Cawthorn on same page
William Sheppard isn't transcribed on FreeBmd, but is on full index on Ancestry
Rose from 1871 is now Selina R
1891 North Muskham RG12/2710 folio 22 pg 12
William Shepherd head mar 58 cottager & joiner
Mary A wife 44
Ada dau 14 dressmaker apprentice
Mary L dau 11
Kate C dau 8
all born North Muskham
1901 North Muskham RG13/3194 folio 126 pg 16
Mary Ann Sheppard head widow 53 cottager
John William Smalley son in law mar 35 railway plate layer b. Lincs, Welton
Ada Smalley dau mar 24
Kate C Sheppard dau 18
Thomas Fryer boarder unm 18 railway plate layer b. Notts, Flintham
Sydney G Smalley grandson 3
all born North Muskham except where stated
John William Smalley march qtr 1895 Southwell vol 7b pg 473 with Ada Sheppard on the same page
Kate Cawthorn Sheppard june qtr 1901 Southwell vol 7b pg 927 to either Bruce Birkett or Charles William Chapman
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Cornwall: Bosisto, James, Russell, Vincent, Donithorn
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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D Sharpie
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Thats great thanks alot osprey!!!
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Some more of William's daughters
1891 69 North gate, Newark RG12/2714 folio 88 pg 36
Job Long head mar 23 brewer's labourer b. Notts, Bathley(?)
Rose wife 21 b. North Muskham
James son 2 b. Newark
Joseph H son 1 month(?)
+ 4 lodgers
Selina Rose Sheppard dec qtr 1888 Southwell vol 7b pg 605 with Job Long on the same page
1901 124 St Leonard's Tce, Newark RG13/3198 folio 96 pg 37
James L Nickson head mar 26 railway shunter b. Hunts, Sawtry
Mary Lydia wife 21 b. North Muskham
Dorothy G dau 2 months b. Newark
Violet Cope niece 8 b. Collingham
Mary Lydia Sheppard march qtr 1899 Southwell vol 7b pg 493 with James Ladlum Nickerson on the same page
1881 Alice is a Salvation Army Officer in Westoe, Durham RG11/5015 folio 88 pg 17 and Ellen is a servant in Notts RG11/3371 folio 126 pg 8
1881 Trent Lane, North Muskham RG11/3372 folio 23 pg 11
John Watson head mar 32 ag lab b. Holme
Emma wife 27
Arthur son 5
Edith dau 2
Minnie dau 11 months
all born North Muskham except where stated
Emma Sheppard dec qtr 1874 Southwell vol 7b pg 652 with John Watson on the same page
1881 North Muskham RG11/3372 folio 24 pg 13
Levi Marshall head mar 24 maltster & ag lab
Eliza wife 21 dressmaker
not named dau 10 days
all born North Muskham
Eliza Jane Sheppard june qtr 1880 Southwell vol 7b pg 505 with Levi marshall on the same page
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Cornwall: Bosisto, James, Russell, Vincent, Donithorn
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Do you know the maiden name of William Shepherds first wife? All I have is Ann at the moment...... 
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You need to get a birth certificate to be sure of her maiden name. There are a few possible William Sheppard/Ann marriages. The most likely is
William Sheppard dec qtr 1851 Newark vol 15 pg 113 with Anne Jackson and Ann Blackbourn on the same page.
Newark covers Hougham in Lincs and on the 1851 I can see an Ann Blackburn aged 17 who might be the one, but I can't be sure.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, James, Russell, Vincent, Donithorn
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Ok no worries Thanks SO much for your help anyway...
Diane x
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