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Northerngirl
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Re: hard copy census look up request
« Reply #15 on: Monday 03 December 07 13:01 GMT (UK) »

Hi again Gadget

No I'm not necessarily trying to link them to George the Blacksmith. As The Township of Green Law is relatively near Shiel I was just hoping....! The IGI has James born in Balmaclellan in 1811 - as was supposedly his wife. As he died in 1843 and can't be pinpointed definitely in 1841 he remains my very big brick wall. Throughout all two sons' and a daughter's marriage certificate and his widow's death certificate (on SP) he is mentioned as a blacksmith/smith - unfortunately for all three children their certificates neglect to mention that he is deceased so that sidetracked me for some time!!!!

He died at Green Lane, near Dalbeattie, which had a blacksmiths at the time - now long gone. I assumed that because he was so young when he died - 28 years - he would have been doing his journeyman's time before being an independent smith. As blacksmithing tended to stay in the family I was looking to find a blacksmiths at or around Balmaclellan with the name Murray. There are none. His children unfortunately have no distinctive names and their mother's family share the christian names so that is no help either. I've looked at the local papers for that time to see if he is mentioned as a victim of an accident or infectious disease but can find none.

Unfortunately also I cannot definitely pinpoint his family in the 1851 census though I have a strong hunch that they are dispersed and working in separate areas. His widow's birthplace seems to suit the census parish and I again presume that this reflects that she is perhaps receiving poor relief.

As you can appreciate I have been around and around and around this issue for three years now - Ooohhhhhh!

Thanks again J.A.


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SCOTLAND
KBC interests - Murray and Shaw: Blacklock and Kirkland.
DMS interests - as KBC.

ENGLAND
Northumberland
Murray: > 1920 in Longbenton/Forest Hall; Howick 1920's
Elliott: North Nbld 1800's
Straughan/Straphen: North Nbld 1800's and 1910's/1920's Craster.
Henderson(nee Elliott)/Brodie Haydon Bridge 1900's
Bell (nee Elliott) Christon Bank/Embleton 1900's

IRELAND
County Mayo
Mills: Erris Head and Gortmellia
Mullarky: as same
Ginnelly: as same

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Re: hard copy census look up request
« Reply #16 on: Monday 03 December 07 13:30 GMT (UK) »

Hi

Trying to find his MI in Urr (Dalbeattie) - so far not found - was he buried there or elsewhere Undecided

And nothing on SP for a bpt. Balmaclellan in 1811 - was it a patron submission Undecided

there is a Margaret, bpt Balmaclellan 1814 - parents John Murray and Agnes manson

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« Reply #17 on: Monday 03 December 07 13:51 GMT (UK) »

The only James Murray that SP is showing bpt. KKD 1811-1814 is

21 Dec 1811 in Kirkmabreck. parents - Matthew Murray and Janet Thomson.

Is the IGI one the patron submission showing a James Murray who married an Elizabeth Shaw? The Shaws were definitely Balmaclellan.

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Northerngirl
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Re: hard copy census look up request
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 04 December 07 09:31 GMT (UK) »

Hi Gadget

I'll answer two questions in one here.

I've searched quite comprehensively for James on the OPR on SP (12 pages of baptisms) and have not pinpointed him down. The Shaw family are my family (We've discussed and searched this before on a PM) but I can't find Elizabeth's birth/baptism either. I've managed to track down here sisters and a brother and have been relatively successful in finding most of the baptisms on the OPRs again on SP.

What is KKD please?

I'll have to have a look at the parishes to see whereabouts Kirkmabreck is.

I'm hoping Matthew Murray is still about in 1841 and so can try to find this particular family this way. The name Matthew does not appear in the family tree until my own grandfather's maternal grandfather is included. Also althoughthe name Janet is definitely include in the Shaw line is not at all in the (my) Murray line.

The only other thing that may be a clue is that (as much as I can recall - it was three year ago when I happened to find it) there is a Sarah Murray in Balmaclellan (I think it was an MI entry and she was a single woman) who may be James mother. Sarah - James and Elizabeth's daughter - is not found after 1841 and probably died before 1851 - another option to investigate. She is baptised at Kelton in 1840 and the information is soooo annoyingly brief I wonder if she was actually their own child. The name is not passed on at all through her siblings' own children. Margaret is born at Lochrutton but her baptism is not found.

If only these people had the decency years ago to call their child James Fandabidousy Thingamebob Murray instead of just James life would be much easier !!!!!

James' MI is at Kelton (Castle Douglas) and gives details of his family - something I found long after I found other information so just re-enforces my information is correct. My cousin has been up there recently and has cleaned the gravestone. His age at death suggests he is born in 1815. Elizabeth's birth year varies with each census and her death certificate. If she was born in 1811 then she is a twin to her sister Helen who's baptism is recorded in 1811!

Thank you for your input - more information to investigate.

Yours J.A.


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« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 04 December 07 09:44 GMT (UK) »

Hi J.A.

KKD is the Chapman code for Kirkcudbrightshire

See:

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Regions/Codes.html

Kirkmabreck is a rural parish which includes Creetown. My 3 x great grandmother came from there and married 3 x grt grandfather in Kells in 1808 so there was movement between the two parishes.

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Northerngirl
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« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 04 December 07 09:46 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Gadget - what a very useful site.


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« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 04 December 07 10:06 GMT (UK) »

Hi J.A.

I assume that this is the MI that you refer to in Kelton/Castle Douglas:

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by William Murray 25.5.1905 70 imo father James Murray d Greenlane 2.7.1843 28 (wife Eliz Shaw d Corbieton 3 1890 75), s. Matthew d Hope-head 17.1.1877 7y 5 mths, w. Agnes Blacklock d Kirkpatrick Durham 28.6. 1910 74 Hugh and Eliz Crawford, twin chn William and Ann jane

However, there is also another interesting MI in the same Kirkyard:

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by Helen Shaw 8.12 1866 55 imo husband James Burgess blacksmith d Rhonehouse 25.4. 1845 38, s. James d inf, daughter helen d West Hartlepool 6.1873 29 (h. John Murray), s. William d Kirkcudbright 27.6. 1890 44

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Northerngirl
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« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 04 December 07 10:16 GMT (UK) »

Yup Gadget that is the one.

As for the other entry - that's another vexing piece of information I've tried to unravel - I think this Helen is my Elizabeth's cousin (her sister married somebody else - James Kim/Kimm). I've had a really good look at that over the last three years too using up quite a few credits on SP.

Thanks again.
J.A.


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