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Peterjay
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Hello Barbara,
To let you know that I have now got the birth cert, and it certainly looks to be positive.
Job is a labourer the wifes name is Elizabeth ? cannot decipher surname.
I think I will order the cert for her second marriage to Richard Smith and see if I can get some more history, my main aim is to find a death for Granddad Edward Sidney Matthews b1882.
Can I just fill you in with the details.
A few years back I can remember reading two documents that my mum had relating to someone killed in the War, I don't think it was WW2 as my brother and sisters would have had some knowledge of it, so I feel sure it was WW1 and it was relating to Edward, I have ruled out other members of the family and keep coming back to him.
One of his sons James D Matthews was born in 1917 so he was around then, and I have just found out Grandma had a boy Albert John Matthews in 1920 with no dads name on the birth cert! so he could have been gone then.
I cannot find a death cert for him or anything on the CWGC relating to his name or anything like it.
My brother tells me that Grandma remarried and the blokes surname was Bradley but not sure how accurate this is, and also one of dads sisters did marry a Bradley, so did the mum as well!
So can you please help me out with a death for Edward, a marriage for his wife Elizabeth Matthews to a Bradley, and or a death for Elizabeth Matthews/ Bradley circa mid 1950s
Hope this is not too much to ask of you, with all good wishes.
Peter.
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Barbara F
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Hello Peter
How annoying that you cannot read the surname. You could try posting an extract of the certificate here and we may be able to help you decipher it.
Unfortunately Free BMD does not yet have many entries for the periods you are interested in for Edward's death, Elizabeth's remarriage or Elizabeth's death. I have checked the full indexes from 1915 to 1920 for a death for Edward but cannot see one. Have you seen the birth certificates for Albert John or James?
I will have a look for a death of an Elizabeth Matthews or Bradley in the mid 1950s - maybe tomorrow.
Barbara
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Barbara F
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Hello Peter
Do you have any idea as to where Elizabeth might have died? Unfortunately, there are quite a few Elizabeth Mathew/Mathews/Matthew/Matthews deaths.
Barbara
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Barbara F
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Hello Peter
I have checked the death indexes for 1954-1956 for a death of Elizabeth Bradley or Matthews (+variants of Matthews). I looked specifically for deaths in the West Ham or South West Essex Registration Districts and for an age consistent with a birth date of around 1860.
I could not see a suitable Elizabeth Bradley but I found some possible Matthews registrations
Dec 1954 Elizabeth Mathew 85 Stoke Newington 5d 585
Jun 1955 Elizabeth A Matthews 87 Essex S W 5a 157
Sep 1955 Elizabeth Mathew 89 Wood Green 5f 325
None of these look good enough to justify buying the certificates.
We really need to narrow down the date and place of death as much as possible.
I wonder if anyone in your family might have a memorial card for her - I have several for my ancestors who died around that time.
Barbara
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Peterjay
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Hello Barbara,
Thanks again for what you are doing, It was the West Ham area as I did know my Grandma.
Sorry no memorial card, I am afraid that my family do not save things like that sadly!
I will contact my brother and sisters all older than me and see what I can get out of them, although they don't really have a great deal of interest.
Grandma was born 1880 London Shadwell Elizabeth Dredger.
If you want to have a break from it for a while that's OK with me, I have two certs on there way on the other matters, and should I get any info I will let you know.
Thanks again.
With best wishes, Peter.
P.S Will have to let you see my Tribalpages site at a future date.
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Barbara F
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Ooops - I think I was looking for the wrong Elizabeth!
I doubt whether I will have much before Christmas but I will have another check through. I am fairly certain there were no deaths in West Ham though.
Let us know when you get the certificates. 
Barbara
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Hello Barbara,
Just to let you know what the latest is after all of your help and assistance.
I managed to get the birth cert for an uncle son of Grandad Edward Matthews, and he was alive in 1917 the year of the child's birth.
The really good part is, it gave Edwards occupation Private in the 1st Essex Regiment, which later became the 8th Kings Liverpool.
With help from all of the good people on Rootschat I have been able to ascertain a lot more about him.
If you recall I did mention a child born to his wife Grandma Elizabeth Matthews in 1920, hence the reason to see what was on the cert for another son born 1917.
Well, it appears that he entered the theatre of war in 1915 was wounded and was sent home, and while he was at home Grandma got pregnant with the son born on 20 April 1917.
He had to return to duty and was killed in action on 23 September 1917 5 months after the child was born, so he may or may not have seen him!
With regard to marriage/death of Grandma Elizabeth Matthews my brother informs me that she did marry a Bradley so I guess this would have been around 1920, and possibly the child born in 1920 is most probably his, also she died in the mid 50s so would have died a Bradley.
I am in a bit of a quandary over the two surnames for Job Matthews wife, if you recall we worked out the difficult handwriting to be Curd, but when I got the cert for her marriage to Richard Smith it looked completely different, and with help on here it was working out as Capon! I will have to sit on this for the time being, and see if it come up at a later date.
Thanks again Barbara, with best wishes.
Peter.
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Barbara F
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Hello Peter and thank you for the update. That birth certificate was certainly well worth the money
I am just catching up on everything after the Xmas and New Year break and will see if I can find a marriage for Elizabeth to a Bradley and a death in the 50s.
I will also have another look at that problem with the surname of Job's wife.
Barbara
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Barbara F
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This looks like the marriage - quick work eh? 
Sep 1920
Matthews Elizabeth Bradley West Ham 4a 368
Corresponding entry for the groom gives his name as William Bradley.
Barbara
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Barbara F
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Hello again Peter
I am not having much luck with Elizabreth's death. The best I can find is
Sep 1961
Elizabeth M Bradley 69 Essex SW 5a 115
I have searched from 1951 - 1963
The Essex SW Reg District was formed out of part of the West Ham RD and comprised the following areas: Cann Hall. Leyton, Walthamstow, Wanstead and Woodford.
Is this a possible? Age is slightly wrong also the initial M - unless it stands for Matthews, her previous married name.
Barbara
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Peterjay
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Hello Barbara,
The marriage certainly looks good, William Bradley would be the Father of one of the sons and does make sense, I will order the cert soon.
Many thanks,
Peter.
P.S Would you have access to electoral rolls, I have just contacted CWGC to have additional info added to Grandads certificate and think I have given wrong postal address and would like to find out if he was living at this address 32 Lower Rd Plaistow West Ham,
in 1915 he entered theatre of war on 15-6-15.
Kind regards.
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