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Barbara F
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Hello Peter
Welcome to Rootschat 
I will have a look in the censuses for you. Do you have Job's occupation? Also Edward's would be useful. Can you give me the names of the witnesses at Edward's wedding - sometimes they are helpful.
Barbara
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Peterjay
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Hello Peter Welcome to Rootschat I will have a look in the censuses for you. Do you have Job's occupation? Also Edward's would be useful. Can you give me the names of the witnesses at Edward's wedding - sometimes they are helpful. Barbara |
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Clover, Matthews, Bradley. Franklin, Dredger, West Ham London area. Clover's in Suffolk
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Barbara F
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Richard - I think you are on to something here. there is this death reg
Deaths Mar 1896
Matthews Job 39 Dartford 2a 295
and I think I have found Job's wife, Elizabeth remarried to a Richard Smith in 1901 and living in West Ham.
The Edward from this family is boarding in Shoeburyness in 1901 and is a labourer.
Peter - I will do some checking a bit later. Have to sort out dinner now !
Barbara
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Barbara F
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This might be useful
Births Mar 1882
Matthew Edward Sydney Dartford 2a 488
Barbara
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Barbara F
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Hello again
Peter, I am not sure whether you have access to full census data. As I said earlier in 1901 an Edward Mathews born Dartford aged 19, Labourer, is a boarder in Shoeburyness. The head of household is George Wallace a Ganger of Labourers. This census info fits in with the birth reg for Edward Sidney. The ref is RG13 1686 f 17.
The family Richard found in 1891 has Job 35, Labourer on Roads, wife Elizabeth 32, and sons William 11, Edward 9 and Henry 1, all born Dartford. This fits with the death age for Job.
And in 1901 we have
Richard Smith 67 Navvy
Elizabeth 41
Charlie Son 19 Navvy
Emily Dau 3
Henry Mathews Stepson 11
Charles Mathews Stepson 7
plus 2 lodgers.
All the family born Dartford.
Ref RG13 1571 f78
So, the families on the 2 censuses fit together.
I will see what marriages I can find.
Barbara
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Barbara F
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This looks like Elizabeth's second marriage
Marriages Dec 1896
Martin Harry Francis Dartford 2a 928
Matthews Elizabeth Dartford 2a 928
PARKER Alice Mary Dartford 2a 928
Smith Richard Dartford 2a 928
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Peterjay
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Hello Barbara/Richard,
Thanks again for all you have done for me, I do not have full access to the census data and have to pay to view.
What you have found for me so far all sounds pretty good, and does make sense.
I will hang on for a while before ordering any certificates, the birth of Edward Sydney Matthew Dartford 1882 should be:
Edward Sidney Matthews could they have got the spelling wrong!
Re: Job's wife Elizabeth remarried to a Richard Smith 1901 living in West Ham, would you know a road address.
Thanks again, kind regards.
Peter
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Clover, Matthews, Bradley. Franklin, Dredger, West Ham London area. Clover's in Suffolk
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Barbara F
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Hello Peter
I have found that names like Matthews are often written as Matthew/Mathew/Mathews. Spelling changes over time and names can be misheard. As many people were illiterate they could not check or correct spellings. Sydney and Sidney fall into the same category.
However you are right to query this! I am confident that Edward Sidney Matthew from the birth indexes is the same Edward that I have found in the censuses. This can be proved by obtaining his birth certificate.
Given the unusual combination of forenames in this case I also think it is very likely your Edward Sidney Matthews who marries in 1903 - but I cannot prove it!
What we are looking for here is supporting evidence. Unfortunately the witnesses at the wedding do not seem to be part of Edward's family - if they could be identified, for example, as sisters or brothers it would support the case. However the address you have asked for might be useful - it is 84 Corporation Street, West Ham. If that address appears on the marriage certificate it would be wonderful!
On Edward's marriage certificate, was Job stated to be deceased?
I am happy to give you full transcriptions of the census entries I have found - probably a bit later today.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Barbara
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Barbara F
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Hello Peter
1891 (transcribed as Wathews!)
5 Gladstone Road, Dartford
Job Mathews Head Mar 35 Labourer on Roads
Elizabeth Wife Mar 32
William Son 11 Scholar
Edward Son 9 Scholar
Henry Son 1
All born Kent Dartford
There is a big gap between the births of Edward and Henry. So there is a possibility that Elizabeth is not the mother of William and Edward.
1901
1 Eleanor Terrace, Sea View Road, South Shoebury, Essex
George Wallace Head Mar 48 Ganger of Labourers b Kent Halsford
Emma Wife Mar 48 b Constantinople
Mary Dau 18 Laundress b Kent Halsford
Harriet Dau 15 b Kent Halsford
James Brenchley Boarder S 52 General Labourer b Middx Poplar
Edward Mathews Boarder S 19 General Labourer b Kent Dartford
84 Corporation Street, West Ham
Richard Smith Head Mar 67 Navvy
Elizabeth Smith Wife Mar 41
Charlie Smith Son 19 Navvy
Emily Smith Dau 3
Henry Mathews Stepson 11
Charles Mathews Stepson 7
Richard Words Visitor 27 Navvy b Craig y ? wales
Edward Brown Visitor 50 Navvy b Suffolk Ipswich
All the Smiths and Mathews born Dartford.
From this I deduce that Charlie Smith is a son by Richard's first marriage and Emily is a daughter of Richard and Elizabeth.
I had hoped Richard might have given Corporation Street as his address at the time of his marriage. Although the Smith family might have moved between 1901 and 1903.
Barbara
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Barbara F
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Look forward to hearing from you again Peter
Barbara
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