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davidhs
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Hi
I'm a complete beginner and a bit unsure how this all works, so here goes. Thomas Smith is my gg grandfather born.c1820? in St Chads which I think is a parish of Shrewsbury. He appears in the 1841 census but is not part of his family group in 1861, possibly dead.
His wife was Elizabeth (b.1821 Pontesbury) and in the 1861 census she was in Condover with my g.grandfather Job 12(coal miner), Emma 18 (b. c1843, Moel Brace), John 10 (scholar), Thomas 16 (coal miner) and William 16 (coal minor).
Perhaps Thomas senior was killed at the pit, would you know which one? I haven't found any births or a marriage. Any information about Thomas' birth or marriage would be much appreciated.
Thanks
David
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Shropshire: Smith
Staffordshire: Howdle, Smith , Benton, Wiggin, Arblaster
Montgomeryshire: Morris, Watkins, Evans
Yorkshire: Howdle, Lazenby
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suzard
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Hello David,
Welcome to RootsChat
Could you give details of Thomas and who he is with on 1841 census, please.
I noticed in 1861 Elizabeth gives her age as 40
but in 1851 she gives her age as 35 -and Thomas gives his age as 36- where did you get his d.o.b. as 1820 from?
here is the 1851 census incase you do not have it
Hook a gate
Condover
Shropshire
Thomas Smith head M 36 Coal Miner St Chads
Elizabeth wife 35 Pontesbury
Emma daughter 8 St Chads
Thomas son 6 St Chads
William son St Chads
Job son 2 Condover
Samuel Lea Lodger W 61 Carpenter meole
Thomas Lea Lodger U 15 Coal Miner meole
HO107 1990 154 29
To find Thomas cause of death you need the death cert -if it was an accident it will tell you in cause of deth -and if there was an inquest-most probably the coroner will be the informant.
It is not easy to research the name of Smith -that's why you need as much information as possible.
If you send for one of the children's birth certificates then that will give you Elizabeth's maiden name.
I have found a marriage registration in 1840 with a Thomas Smith and Elizabeth on same page. But first we need to know if there are any children older than Emma and if Thomas was with Elizabeth in 1841.
You do know that adult ages in 1841 were (supposed to be) rounded down to the nearest 5 years?
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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davidhs
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Hello Suz
Thanks for the welcome and the prompt reply.
It was the 1851 census I meant not 1841, sorry about that. The two entries in 1851 and 61 are the only information I have about this family group apart from Job, so I don't know if there are any children older than Emma.
No I did not know that adult ages in 1841 were (supposed to be) rounded down to the nearest 5 years? So the difference in the entries is a problem. I had it in my mind that Thomas was one year older than Elizabeth and since she is 40 in the 1861 entry, it would give his birth date as 1820. But as you point out according to the 1851 entry, his birth year could be 1815.
Thanks for the valuable advice, I will apply for Job's birth certificate and work from there.
Thanks
David
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Shropshire: Smith
Staffordshire: Howdle, Smith , Benton, Wiggin, Arblaster
Montgomeryshire: Morris, Watkins, Evans
Yorkshire: Howdle, Lazenby
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suzard
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this will give you information re cencus -especially 1841
http://www.amlwchhistory.co.uk/data/censushistory.htm
BMD registration came into being Sept qtr 1837 -but, although the majority seem to have registed, it was not compulsory at that time.
For BMD's pre Sept 1827 we have to rely on Parish records, church records, etc
There are several marriage reg's post 1837 where there is a Thomas Smith and Elizabeth on the same page.
I think Job's birth cert will prove to be a good investment
Suz
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