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Gene Genius
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Hi everyone - Newbie here.
My Dad had always thought that his dad was Scottish through and through coming down from Scotland c1907 to look for work as a miner in NE Wales.
My grandad died in WW1 in 1918 when my Dad was only four so he wasn't able to ask him anything about his family.
So the facts are these
My grandad was James Patrick MacDonald c1887 Greenock area. Son of Dominic McDonald (possibly Irish) a sailor and deceased before 1911.
Yes I think there could be a discrepancy in the surnames.
Would appreciate any help at all. I have had some suggestions on another site but maritime help would be invaluable. Rumour has it that Dominic was a ship's master.
Thanks in anticipation
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Piglet01
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Hello,
I've done a few searches.
1. A free search at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk shows only one James Patrick McDonald being born between 1885 and 1890 in the whole of Scotland - in 1887 in Glasgow. It's a pay per view site to get the image of the birth entry.
2. Searched on the same site for a Dominic MC and MacDonald between 1887 and 1911 - came up using the free search with the death of a Dominick (note spelling) MacDonald in Glasgow in 1906.
3. Could find no record for a marriage of all combinations for Dominic in Scotland between 1870 and 1890
4. Searched the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website at www.cwgc.org and found no deaths in 1918 for ombinations of the name. 37 x J Mc/MacDonalds in 1918
I searched the National Archives online archives. Both for a James Patrick Mc and MacDonald from 1914 to 18 only came up with one in 1918 at: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=397370
Description Medal card of McDonald, James Patrick
Corps Regiment No Rank
Manchester Regiment 53379 Private
East Lancashire Regiment 31804 Private
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/12
Dept Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies
Series War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War
Piece Langley P A - McGrath D
Image contains 1 medal card of many for this collection
Number of image files: 1
Image Reference Format and Version Part Number Size (KB) Number of Pages Price (£)
218832 / 43538 PDF 1.2 1 306 1 3.50
Total Price (£) 3.50
Cost to download the medal card is £3.50 - maybe 'your' James.
Your profile possibly indicates that you're in Wales.
Some info about Scottish searching:
Use Rootschat to get as much information as you can. As you'll found out people are more than willing to help.
1. When Rootschat info dries up, and if you feel you need to do more exploring, the pay per view site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (SP), is well worth considering. It's free to register. Clearly highlights what records can be looked at and saved online. There are some free search facilites. This website curtails online searches after certain dates.
2. A second option. A great money saver - Aberdeen Registrars Office (as do many others in Scotland), - has Scottish Birth Marriage and Death (BMD) records online going back to 1855 and up to the present day (for Scotland). Charge £15 per hour. An hour should be more than enough to get a good core of info. I use them as I live locally and visit in person. They can be contacted on 01224 522033 or e-mail: Searchroom@aberdeencity.gov.uk They're really friendly approachable and professional. Will save you days and pounds ++ on Scotlands People.
The link below indicates their services:
http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/acci/web/files/rm_registrars/rm_registrars_family_history_leaflet.pdf
3. The IGI at www.family search.org - also has a certain amount of free family history records - well worth a look and family history software. Well worth you having a play with the site.
I've McDonalds in my line - another nightmare to research as you have some brothers and sisters spelling their name surname differently.
Good luck. Steve :O)
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Borders: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson, Turner, Bertram, Watson
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Piglet01
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Went back on to the CWG website using McDonald and came up with the following when I went back onto the National Archives.
Medal card of McDonald, James P
Corps Regiment No Rank
Royal Welsh Fusiliers 8033 Private
Welsh Regiment 15531 Private
Welsh Regiment 266931 Private
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/12
Dept Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies
Series War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War
Piece Langley P A - McGrath D
Image contains 1 medal card of many for this collection
If you are going to go onto the National Archives website I'd suggest reading the detailed info about the cards before attempting to download.
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Borders: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson, Turner, Bertram, Watson
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elaine447
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hi Gene Genius
did your grandfather marry in Greenock before moving to Wales
if so what was your grandmothers name
there are 31 James McDonalds named on Scotland's People
marrying between 1855 and 1936
I have a relative with the same name so I have looked out of curiosity
Elaine
added there are 45 births of For james mcdonalds but no James Patrick McDonalds
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Given,McCorkindale,Kennaway,Wylie,Cameron,Mooney,McCloskey,Black,
McCafferty,Gillespie,Jamieson,Keith,Adam,Quigley,Ainslie,
McHugh,Malone,Fisher,Burns,Gallacher,Nelson,Dunleavy,Brannan,
Docherty,McCluskey,Fitzpatrick,Barclay, Peacock
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Gene Genius
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Thank you Piglet for your most extensive information and you too Elaine for your contribution.
I do have the medal card copy and the Memorial certificate for my grandad who is actually the one you mentioned in your second reply Piglet.
He married my grandmother here in North Wales in 1911 and I have the copy of the certificate. That is how I know that he was born c 1887.
I thought it would be an easy thing to just tie up his name (Mc or Mac) with his date of birth and the name of his father (which is not all that common). It hasn't been so though unfortunately because it doesn't seem as if that many James had Dominics as their father.
Yes it certainly looks as if the man who died in Glasgow in 1906 could well have been my great grandad but unless I find something earlier with the name of James on too, how will I know for sure?
I realise that if the family were in fact Irish then I am going to have problems what with the destruction of the records in 1922 and all but if I could at least fo back a couple more generations and know for sure who my great grandmother was and maybe if my grandad had brothers or sisters, that would be wonderful.
My Dad passed away in 2004 and I would have dearly loved to find out all these things for him but we didn't have the access that we have today.
He passed away convinced that many generations of his forebears were from Scotland but I have reason now to suppose that only my grandad was born there of Irish descent.
It is lovely to know that there are people like yourselves who take an interest. I wear the MacDonald kilt at Hogmanay as did my Dad wear the tartan for many years. Perhaps I am not as Scots as I thought I once was but old habits are hard to break and heck, we're all Celts at the end of the day.
Thank you again.
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