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janan
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There is a death for a Thomas Henry Farr in Woburn District in 1865 - could be him  Can't see Thomas c1859 born Wavendon in 1871.
Jan 
You can ask that they only send the birth cert if mother is Caroline they then won't charge full price if it is the wrong one - only £3 I think.
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bedfordshire boy
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I'd be tempted to get the cert anyway, just to find out who he was if he wasn't Caroline's son. He has to be connected somehow if he's Matthew's grandson.
David
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janan
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Yes so would I David - in fact I would also want to get the 1847 Marriage cert for Richard and Hannah as well as the Richard to Caroline marriage cert.
Jan
The other thing I want is to find Richard, Hannah and Caroline in 1851 and Richard in 1861  
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bedfordshire boy
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Hi John
I've looked for them in 1851 too, and can find no trace of them.
I was looking for:
Caroline Farr (or perhaps Battam(s)) age 8 ie born 1842/3 at Aspley Guise/Woburn, her assumed mother
Hannah Battam(s) age 25-29 (she was 15 in 1841), born in Beds (or perhaps Bucks) - she died 1858 - and her husband
Richard Battam(s) age 41 born 1820 at Newton Longville Bucks
Possibly living at Wavendon or Fenny Stratford Bucks, but I'd expanded that to Bucks and Beds
If you find them you're a bigger star than I thought
David
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tazzie
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Hi ALL......
This may help... had some free time today and checked out some records.
1847 marriage &1876 marriage not in the PR for Wavendon or Newport Pagnell .
Susan BATTAMS bapt 15 June 1849 to Richard & Hannah Battams Private baptism.
George BATTAMS bapt 19 March 1857 to Richard & Hannah Battams Private baptism.
Hannah BATTAMS BURIED dEC 8 1858 AGED 32.
Could not see a bapt for Thomas Farr 1859 Wavendon.
Tazzie
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Liscoe -all Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks. Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London Rewallin/Underwood -Devon Casbolt-London/Cambridge Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds This information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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janan
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I've just looked fro Susan but can't find her anymore than I can find Richard, Hannah or Caroline in 1851. Richard is also still missing in 61.
Harrisonsdad you do have a difficult family, no wonder you are a bit stumped!
Jan
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harrisonsgdad
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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About Caroline Farr
Originally submitted by pmalish to Paul Malish's Family Tree on 13 Feb 2008
"Caroline is believed to be the niece of her husband, Richard Battams (her uncle), according to the Census data. However, it is suspected that Caroline may actually be an illegitimate daughter of Hannah Farr, and that Richard was her step-father prior to their marriage."
I was talking to older Farrs recently and the half remembered conversations with now deceased Farrs may hold some glimmer of "truth". One ancestor is said to have given birth to an illegitimate child, was subsequently kicked out of house and home and took residence with a family. It is believed that this young mother took the name of the household who took her in.
I can't make this fit Hannah with Caroline as the illigimate child. Hannah is shown as "Farr" in 1841 census before Caroline's birth. Caroline would have been about 16 when Thomas Farr was born but by that time Hannah had been married and died. Not sure if this helps at all but this could explain the absence of historical records with the Farr surname
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tazzie
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Hi John ....
Sorry yes 1849 is correct and have amended the above. Got mixed with the note for the marriage.
I looked to see if there was anymore info on the baptisms but no clues at all.
There is a Farr family in Wavendon in 1823 who baptise a son John with John & Elizabeth as parents but my Bucks cd is playing up so do not know if they give any clues around the census.
Tazzie
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Liscoe -all Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks. Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London Rewallin/Underwood -Devon Casbolt-London/Cambridge Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds This information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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DB10
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Hi all,
The Wavendon census entries are shown being in Wavendon Lower End/Hogsty End (now Woburn Sands)
1841
"All that part of the parish of Wavendon called Lower End and Hogstye End for Henry Hugh Hoares House and Mr Baileys Farm"
John Farr 40 Y Ag. Lab.
Elizabeth Farr 39 Y
William Farr 18 Y
George Farr 14 Y
John Farr 10 Y
Thomas Farr 5 Y
Hannah Farr 3 Y
Mary Farr 1m Y
1851"Part of the Parish of Wavendon called Lower End, Woburn Sands, Railway Station, Wavendon House, Mr Baileys Farm, Eagle Farm and Mr Hoares Lodges"
Woburn Sands
Thomas Morris H M 76 Pauper Ag. Lab. Gt. Woolstone
Ann Morris W M 75 Moulsoe
(sames household)
John Furr Lodger M 22 Ag. Lab. Wavendon
Ann Furr Lodger M 22 Ridgemont
Woburn Sands
William Furr H M 28 Ag. Lab. Wavendon
Mariah Furr W M 30 Wavendon
Elizabeth Furr D U 10 Wavendon
Thomas Furr S U 8 Wavendon
George Furr S U 3 Bow Brickhill
Edward Garrett Lodger U 23 Ag. Lab.
Woburn Sands
John Furr H M 50 Ag. Lab. Wavendon
Elizabeth Furr W M 50 Lacemaker Wavendon
Edward Furr S U 12 Ag. Lab. Wavendon
Ann Furr D U 10 Wavendon
Thomas Furr S U 4 Wavendon
1861
"All that part of the parish of Wavendon called Lower End, Rendes Lodge, Mr Cardwells Farm, Woburn Sands, Long Slade, Leighton Hollow, Mr William Henry Denisons and Wood Leys Farm"
William Farr H M 38 Ag Lab Woburn Sands
Maria Farr W M 40 Lacemaker Woburn Sands
Thomas Garritt S Un 17 Ag Lab Wavendon
Thomas Farr S Un 16 Ag Lab Aspley
George Farr S 13 Ag Lab Bow Brickhill
These are transcribed on the Woburn Sands Collection website
http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/wsc/docs/framegenea.html
But this looks like a different branch to the one containing Hannah and Caroline ...... 
DB10
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janan
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About Caroline Farr
Originally submitted by pmalish to Paul Malish's Family Tree on 13 Feb 2008
"Caroline is believed to be the niece of her husband, Richard Battams (her uncle), according to the Census data. However, it is suspected that Caroline may actually be an illegitimate daughter of Hannah Farr, and that Richard was her step-father prior to their marriage."
I was talking to older Farrs recently and the half remembered conversations with now deceased Farrs may hold some glimmer of "truth". One ancestor is said to have given birth to an illegitimate child, was subsequently kicked out of house and home and took residence with a family. It is believed that this young mother took the name of the household who took her in.
I can't make this fit Hannah with Caroline as the illigimate child. Hannah is shown as "Farr" in 1841 census before Caroline's birth. Caroline would have been about 16 when Thomas Farr was born but by that time Hannah had been married and died. Not sure if this helps at all but this could explain the absence of historical records with the Farr surname
Hi
I think the story does fit with Hannah and Caroline if the family she was taken in by was the Battams - Hannah would then have become an adopted sister to Richard and Caroline would have been his niece! That Hannah later married Richard may not have been something that the older now deceased Farrs were aware of.
I think you really do need to order the various certificates suggested in this thread if you want to make any further headway with this family.
Jan
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