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Typical route from Ireland to Kirkcudbrightshire pre 1841
« on: Thursday 13 December 07 07:09 GMT (UK) »

I am tracing my ancestors from Australia (Edward Lynch arrived Australia in 1856) back to Scotland and back to Ireland

The information I have located to date is that Owen Lynch Born in Cavin Ireland and Margaret Stewart born in Meath Ireland are both in the 1841 (village of Bridge of Dee, Parish of Balmaghie) and 1851 census in Scotland. This would obviously indicate they arrived before 1841.

1841 Census:
Owen Lynch 30
Margaret Lynch 30
Philip 10
Edward  8
John  6
Mary  3
James  1


Would anyone have any information on the typical route that people from Ireland took to come to Kirkcudbrightshire in Scotland around this period? Information I have to date suggests:  It is very likely that your LYNCH family were resident for a time in other parishes nearer to Portpatrick which is one of the likely routes between Ireland and Wigtownshire before moving further into Kirkcudbrightshire.

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Owen and Margaret Lynch  Kirkcudbright, Scotland 1841
Owen Lynch born Caven Ireland around 1811
Margaret Stewart born Meath Ireland around 1809
Edward Lynch arrived Australia in 1856 from Scotland
Patrick Joseph Ryan Gallway Ireland 1856
Mary Agnes Brady County Sligo Ireland 1859
William Wales Cockermouth, Cumbria England 1800
Eliza Hynes Ireland 1811
George Henry Sykes England 1857
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Re: Typical route from Ireland to Kirkcudbrightshire pre 1841
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 13 December 07 10:16 GMT (UK) »

Hi Millstream

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It is very likely that your LYNCH family were resident for a time in other parishes nearer to Portpatrick which is one of the likely routes between Ireland and Wigtownshire before moving further into Kirkcudbrightshire.


This was the most likely route or Stranraer. However, there were various other ports along the coast. My ancestors left Kirkcudbright via Creetown and Kirkcudbright itself.

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Re: Typical route from Ireland to Kirkcudbrightshire pre 1841
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 13 December 07 10:18 GMT (UK) »

P.S. It's CAVAN not Caven/Cavin.
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Re: Typical route from Ireland to Kirkcudbrightshire pre 1841
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 13 December 07 10:22 GMT (UK) »

P.S. It's CAVAN not Caven/Cavin.

Sorry - did you miss putting in the main message. This just says P.S.  Huh
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Re: Typical route from Ireland to Kirkcudbrightshire pre 1841
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 13 December 07 11:25 GMT (UK) »

No Gadget- just adding a comment. Sorry for the confusion.
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Re: Typical route from Ireland to Kirkcudbrightshire pre 1841
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 13 December 07 13:18 GMT (UK) »

There are a number of ports.  There is Girvan in Ayrshire.  The rock there is nicknamed Paddy's Milestone because so many Irish came over.  There is Port Patrick and of course Kirkcudbright which is still operating as a port.  Stranraer is a busy port now but I'm not sure how busy it was before 1841.
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Re: Typical route from Ireland to Kirkcudbrightshire pre 1841
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 13 December 07 13:23 GMT (UK) »

This gives a bit of information on the development of Stranraer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranraer

and Portpatrick:

http://www.portpatrick.co.uk/

more specifically:

http://www.portpatrick.co.uk/history.html

also a view of Ireland (on the horizon) from Portpatrick which I took a couple of years back  Smiley

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Re: Typical route from Ireland to Kirkcudbrightshire pre 1841
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 13 December 07 13:36 GMT (UK) »

That is a beautiful photo and so representative of the magnificent scenery in Galloway.
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Re: Typical route from Ireland to Kirkcudbrightshire pre 1841
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 13 December 07 13:40 GMT (UK) »

Thank you  Smiley

I have some from the other side looking back to Scotland but I can't find them at the moment  Undecided

I've also got a book, bought in one of the Wigtown bookshops which gives a really good account of the droving routes from Ireland to England but that is still up in the Highlands. I'll see if I can find it next week  Smiley


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Re: Typical route from Ireland to Kirkcudbrightshire pre 1841
« Reply #9 on: Friday 14 December 07 05:24 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Gadget for your information and assistance. I am starting to work through the web sites you mention.

It certainly is good picture of the coast and one I appreciate as I am a coastal person and have always lived next to the ocean.

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Owen and Margaret Lynch  Kirkcudbright, Scotland 1841
Owen Lynch born Caven Ireland around 1811
Margaret Stewart born Meath Ireland around 1809
Edward Lynch arrived Australia in 1856 from Scotland
Patrick Joseph Ryan Gallway Ireland 1856
Mary Agnes Brady County Sligo Ireland 1859
William Wales Cockermouth, Cumbria England 1800
Eliza Hynes Ireland 1811
George Henry Sykes England 1857
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Re: Typical route from Ireland to Kirkcudbrightshire pre 1841
« Reply #10 on: Friday 14 December 07 05:33 GMT (UK) »

There are a number of ports.  There is Girvan in Ayrshire.  The rock there is nicknamed Paddy's Milestone because so many Irish came over. 

Thanks duckweed. I introduced 'Paddy's Milestone' to Google and there is a fair amount of information as well as pictures available.

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Owen and Margaret Lynch  Kirkcudbright, Scotland 1841
Owen Lynch born Caven Ireland around 1811
Margaret Stewart born Meath Ireland around 1809
Edward Lynch arrived Australia in 1856 from Scotland
Patrick Joseph Ryan Gallway Ireland 1856
Mary Agnes Brady County Sligo Ireland 1859
William Wales Cockermouth, Cumbria England 1800
Eliza Hynes Ireland 1811
George Henry Sykes England 1857
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Re: Typical route from Ireland to Kirkcudbrightshire pre 1841
« Reply #11 on: Monday 17 December 07 16:47 GMT (UK) »

That's a beautiful photograph taken from Portpatrick, Gadget. I didn't know you could actually see Ireland from there, even though we visited the town last year. I will have to be more attentive next time we pass through.

When you talk about the "droving routes" is that to bring animals across or also common routes for travellers?
Judy
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner: Walsall
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country
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Re: Typical route from Ireland to Kirkcudbrightshire pre 1841
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 19 December 07 16:50 GMT (UK) »

Hi anki-Judy

The drove routes were mainly cattle droves between Ireland and England.

I'll check my books in the next few days when I'm settled in  Smiley

I've seen ireland from the Mull of Kintyre and Portpatrick and I've seen Scotland from just north of Belfast and on the north Antrim coast and have photos both ways. The two countries are so close.

Seeing the closeness at first hand, one realises how movement between them was so easy.

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Re: Typical route from Ireland to Kirkcudbrightshire pre 1841
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 22 December 07 13:17 GMT (UK) »

Hi Gadget

On the first read I thought you'd been on the old Yellow Tail again but it must have been me. I have just read it again and makes sense now.

How could I have thought such a terrible thing? Hic! Hic!

I need a "hANKY" TODAY.

Judy
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner: Walsall
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country
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