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Bryant
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New approach................how many of this family seen residing together (in 1881) are around in 1891 please..........especially the Butler's
It would appear that Matthew will be missing from the family abode in 1891! ...... I wonder what he was in for?
1891
Matthew Butler abt 1846 Droitwich, Worcestershire, England Prisoner St Nicholas Gloucester
1891
Churchway, East Dean, Gloucester
Faith Smith head 56 (widr) Basket maker Cheltenham
Albert " son 15 Colliery labourer East Dean
Ruth " dau 12 "
Prudence " mother 80 (widr) "
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1881 CENSUS
3 Gipsy Tents, Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucester
Pridy Smith Head 70 (wid) Travelling Gipsies (No Occ)
Faith " Son 45 (M) "
Lea " daur 25 (M) "
Keziah " " 26 (M) "
Nepthane Johns Nephew 22 (M) "
Susan Smith Daur In Law 21 (M) "
Mark Johns Nephew 19 "
Shady Johns Daur In Law 10 months (Female)"
Mathew Butler Son In Law 30 "
Emma " Daur 11 "
Snipey ? " " 5 "
Mathew " Son 18 m "
Bessie " Daur 7 "
Albert " Son 6 "
Lucy Smith Daur 2 "
1879 ..... Sep 21st....Matthew Butler
Father's Forename(s) Matthew
Mother's Forename(s) Leanda [sic]
Residence Green Bottom
Occupation Brick grinder
Baptism
Parish/Chapel Mitcheldean
1876... Feb 10th
Sinfoy Butler
East Dean
Occupation Gipsy Knife Grinder
Baptism
Parents... Matthew and Leah Annabel
Parish/Chapel Abenhall
1871 Ellis Bridge Rd, Garway, Herefordshire
Mathew Butler head abt 1848 tinker Worcestershire
Leanna " wife abt 1850 Broughton, Worcestershire
Emma " daur abt 1870 Bosbury, Herefordshire
Leana Smith married Matthew Butler 1870...Sept qtr....Ledbury
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Researching names BRYANT (Camberwell), PASTERFIELD (Essex and all), RAY (Holborn/Islington areas back to Brentford), POWELL (Glouc & beyond?) Fletcher (Glouc into Warwickshie into Lancs?), BUCKLEY (Chatham area), Watson (Chatham area). Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Eyesee
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Might be some of them
1891 - RG12; Piece: 2005; Folio 22; Page 37
Churchway, East Dean, Gloucester
Faith SMITH, head widr 56, Basket maker, born Cheltenham
Albert SMITH, son unm 15, Colliery labourer, born East Dean
Ruth SMITH, dau unm 12, born ditto
Prudence SMITH, mother widr 80, born ditto
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon
FERNANDES, London
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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Eyesee
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I guessed they were. Could not see any of the others.
Have a couple of female rellies named Faith, but the first time I've seen it as a boys name.
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon
FERNANDES, London
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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Eyesee
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1871 - RG10; Piece: 2607; Folio: 28; Page: 12
Newent, Gloucestershire
Taken in road, slept in parish
Edmund HERNE, head mar 50, Gipsey, born Northampton, Easton
Jemima HERNE, wife mar 55, Gipsey, born Stoughton, Leicestershire
Alice SMITH, step-daughter 35, Gipsey, born Northampton, Durning?
Zipporeth HERNE, son unm 21, Gipsey, born Northamptom, Brimstead?
Brinte? HERNE, dau unm 18, Gipsey, born Lincoln, Peterborough
Urania HERNE, dau unm 16, Gipsey, born Lincoln, Market Deeping
Manfell HERNE, son unm 12, Gipsey, born Northampton, Welford
Madonna SMITH, grand-dau unm 16, Gipsey, born Northampton, Lutton/Sutton
Stephen SMITH, grand-son unm 11, Gipsey, born Cambridge, Ely
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Spencer SMITH, head mar 70, Gipsey, born Warwick, Stratford
Prudence SMITH, wife mar 56, Gipsey, born Northampton, Farnham
Faith SMITH, son unm 35, Gipsey, born Glouc, Cleeve
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Spencer SMITH, head mar 26, Gipsey, born unknown
Lenora SMITH, wife mar 30, Gipsey, born Glouc, Tetbury
Lenora SMITH, dau 6, Gipsey, born ditto
Perrant SMITH, son 4, Gipsey, born Glouc, ??
Isa SMITH, dau 2, Gipsey, born Glouc, Hardwich
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Caleb HERNE, son of Edmund unm 23, Gipsey, born Huntingdon, Leighton
See you already had this in your other thread
Ian C
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon
FERNANDES, London
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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Eyesee
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Found some of them in 1891
RG12; Piece: 4384; Folio 41; Page 14
Gipsies Camp, Rudry, Glamorgan, Wales
Samson LEE, head widower 80, born Hardich, Cheltenham
Alice SMITH, single 60, born Northamptonshire
Seperet HERNE, single 50, born ditto
Shanderous LEE, son widower 60, Horn?? dealer, born Worcestershire
Manfield HERNE, widower 33, born Leicestershire
Dorah SMITH, single 35, born Huntingdonshire
Steven SMITH, single 27, born Ely, Cambridgeshire
Hellfeare HERNE, single 4, born Swansea, Glam
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon
FERNANDES, London
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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Bryant
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Thankyou Ian for the 1891
Is their any relationships listed ie father/son/daur etc for the Smith's & Herne's
1891 census
Gipsies Camp, Rudry, Glamorgan, Wales
Samson Lee head 80 (widr) Hardich, Cheltenham
Alice Smith 60 (single Northamptonshire
Seperet Herne 50 (single) " "
Shanderous Lee son 60 (widr) Horse dealer Worcestershire
Manfield Herne 33 (widr) Leicestershire
Dorah Smith 35 (single) Huntingdonshire
Steven Smith 27 (single) Ely, Cambridgeshire
Hellfeare Herne 4 Swansea, Glam
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Researching names BRYANT (Camberwell), PASTERFIELD (Essex and all), RAY (Holborn/Islington areas back to Brentford), POWELL (Glouc & beyond?) Fletcher (Glouc into Warwickshie into Lancs?), BUCKLEY (Chatham area), Watson (Chatham area). Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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No there wasn't, sorry. Only for the LEE's.
Will check the Hellfeare HERNE one again, think it was a female.
Samson LEE, head widower 80, born Hardich, Cheltenham male
Alice SMITH, single 60, born Northamptonshire female
Seperet HERNE, single 50, born ditto female
Shanderous LEE, son widower 60, Horn?? dealer, born Worcestershire male
Manfield HERNE, widower 33, born Leicestershire male
Dorah SMITH, single 35, born Huntingdonshire female
Steven SMITH, single 27, born Ely, Cambridgeshire male
Hellfeare HERNE, single 4, born Swansea, Glam female
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon
FERNANDES, London
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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1901 - RG13; Piece: 4997; Folio: 96; Page: 11
Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Tent
Manfield HERN, head widower 46, Travelling hawker, born Leicestershire
Elvira HERN, dau unm 16, born Swansea
Caleb HERN, son unm 17, Travelling hawker, born ditto
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Travelling van
Septimus SMITH, head mar 40, Travelling hawker, born Northamptonshire
Ruth SMITH, wife mar 25, born Shropshire
Jemima SMITH, dau 7, born Glam, Berry Dock
Louisa SMITH, dau 2, born Cardigan
In 1881 the HURN's were in Walsall, Staffordshire.
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon
FERNANDES, London
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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1901 - RG13; Piece: 2422; Folio: 121; Page: 14
The H??, Redmarley D'Abitot, Worcestershire
Matthew BUTLER, head mar 55, Travelling ?? (Overwritten with Hawkers), born Northamptonshire
Leah BUTLER, wife mar 54, Worcestershire
Matthew BUTLER, son s 21, born Glos, Forest of Dean
Alfred BUTLER, son s 19, born Herefordshire, Courthope?
Spencer BUTLER, son 17, born Glos, Forest of Dean
Leonard BUTLER, son 15, born Glos, Cinderford
Isaac BUTLER, son 13, born Hereford, Wall Hills
Lillie BUTLER, dau 11, born Glos, Cinderford
Still can't see them in 1891. If Matthew was in prison, the others may have been lying low.
Ian C
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon
FERNANDES, London
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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