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heilanlassie
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I can't find a birth record of my grandfather who was born about 1875.
The first record I can find for him is in the 1881 census which names him as James Fraser, aged 6, born approx. 1875, born at Daviot G, Inverness. His address is given as Elrig and he is a scholar living with his aunt, Marjory Grant aged 53.
In the 1891 census he is aged 15, and still living with his aunt, Marjory Grant.
In the 1901 census, he is living at 6 Brown Street, Glasgow St George, Lanarkshire and is classed as a boarder working as a drapery warehousemans clerk.
On his marriage to my grandmother in 1901, his parents are named as James Fraser, shepherd and Catherine McGillvary Fraser, nee Fraser.
What I can't understand is why I can't find a birth record for him, why was he living with his aunt when his parents are obviously still alive when he married in 1901.
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flst
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Hi,were his parents married at the time of his birth? If both parents were working often young children lived with relatives. Have you found their marriage certificate on scotlandspeople? Where were they in the 1881 census? Hopefully someone here will be able to help you with your query.
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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heilanlassie
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No, I still can't find a birth record for him, but in my searching, I found his death certificate.
He died on December 14th 1933 in the Victoria Infirmary, Glasgow. The informant is my grandmother and their usual residence is 9 Taymouth Street, Glasgow.
His parents are named as James Fraser, shepherd (deceased) and Catherine Macgilivary Fraser, ms Fraser (deceased).
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Buzancy18
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A long shot but it may be worth it. Try looking in Daviot ,Aberdeenshire. I got the two mixed up searching my tree.
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MonicaLesl
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The aunt Marjory Grant is still showing in 1901 living at Olrig, Daviot and Dunlichity. She is aged 73, and living alone. One way to try and unravel the clues might be to look at her death and try to figure out how she was related to James Fraser, your grandfather. Bear in mind though that sometimes relationships given in censuses weren't correct.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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heilanlassie
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In the 1901 census, I find my grandfather living as a boarder at 6 Brown Street, Glasgow. In the same house is my grandmother, Mary Mackenzie who is classed as the niece of the head of the house, her aunt Jessie Mackenzie.
Prior to then the Mackenzie side of the family were all born and lived in Ullapool, Loch Broom, but my great grandfather ( Mary's father ) died in strange circumstances in Glasgow in 1890 - so I reckon the family then moved to Glasgow.
Strange too, as the 1901 census was taken on the night of 31 March / 1 April, and my grandparents, Mary Mackenzie and James Fraser were married on April 26 1901 in number 6 Brown Street, Glasgow.
I have no idea how Marjory Grant and James Fraser were related - how would I go about that research?
I wonder if Marjory was invited to the wedding?
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MonicaLesl
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There is a death showing on Scotlands People which you could have a look at for a Marjory Grant who died in 1906 in Daviot, Inverness-shire with a birth year of 1827 which is likely to be the Marjory showing as aunt to James. Her parents' names would be included on the cert, if known to the informant for her death.
Did Marjory show as a widow or single on the 1881 census entry you have for James with her?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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flst
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I'm not sure if this helps or confuses the issue! There is a Margery Grant (in familysearch) born 15/3/1829 in Petty,Inverness.Her parents are Alexander Grant & Mary Fraser.This ties in with her age in the 1901 census. Alexander & Mary married 20/10/1826 in Petty. In the 1841 census they are at 3 Brown Street,Inverness with Catherine,9 & Jessie,4.However...
In 1851 census,at Elrig, there is a spinster, Catherine Mcpherson,52 & her daughter Marjory Grant aged 24 & a house servant.Both are born in Dunlichty. I checked the 1841 census Catherine is there herself,occupation female labourer.
As Monica said looking up Marjory's death certificate may help solve this problem.
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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MonicaLesl
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Clever you flst  Following your lead on the household of Catherine McPherson and Marjory Grant her daughter (illegitimate you would think), look at the household in 1861:
Catherine McPherson 60, head, Agricultural Labourer b. Dunlichity, Inverness
Marjory Grant 28, daughter, Agricultural Labourer b. Dunlichity, Inverness
Catherine McGillivray 7, Grandaughter, b. Dunlichity, Inverness
Address: Elrig, Daviot and Dunlichity
I am thinking that Catherine above could well be James Fraser's mother 
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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flst
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I think I've found him! From the index of births on scotlandspeople;
1875 McGillivray,James Fraser/ Dores/Inverness.
I only found one marriage for a James Fraser to a Catherine Mcgillivray but that was in 1938 in Grangemouth.
I should've known to check for James' birth under his mother's surname,as I have found some of my own ancestors recorded in the censuses with different surnames from the one they were registered under!
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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heilanlassie
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I've downloaded the birth certificate for James Fraser McGillivary born February 19 1875, but the mother is shown as Christina - not Catherine. Mystery?
I have also downloaded the 1861 census for Elrig in the Parish of Dores which shows Catherine McPherson, Marjory Grant and Catherine McGillivray.
The saddest thing is the death certificate I have downloaded for Marjory Grant. She died on May 20 1906 in Elrig, Daviot. It states that she was a pauper, formerly a domestic servant, single, illegitimate.
She was 79 years old when she was found dead in bed. Her parents were McGregor Grant and Catherine Grant, both deceased.
Her death was informed by her granddaughter, Margaret Kelly.
I wonder if these certificates are correct - I feel quite sad now.
If Marjory Grant brought up my grandfather, why did she die as a pauper?
One question answered - another one asked.
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MonicaLesl
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Sad stories sometimes 
What was actually showing on the birth entry for James Fraser McGillivary b. 1875 in respect of parents? Was father James Fraser, shepherd? Was the birth illegitimate?
From what you have found on Marjorie Grant's death, it is likely that when she died, her granddaughter had forgotten her g grandmother's maiden name which is why parents both show as Grant. Not sure where granddaughter Margaret Kelly has come from though as there are no other children that we have seen on the censuses for Marjory.
As you say, one question answered and more new questions follow!
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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I think we were missing the 1871 entry for Marjory Grant. This looks like her with mother, with her surname showing as McPherson:
Catherine McPherson 72, pauper, b. Daviot
Marjory McPherson 40, daughter Domestic Serv b. Daviot
Address: Elrig, Daviot and Dunlichity
In 1871, there is also Catherines b. 1852-4 in Daviot under the surnames of Fraser, McGillivray and McPherson - all working away from home! Marjory's daughter could be any of the three.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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This is the closest I can see for a Margaret Kelly in 1901:
Lachlan MacIntosh 69, Sub Postmasell & Inspector Of Poor, b. Daviot
Mary Ann MacIntosh 60, b. Daviot
Margaret MacIntosh 25, b. Daviot
Margaret Kelly 16, domestic servant, b. Forres Morayshire
Address: Post Office Daviot, Daviot and Dunlichity
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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