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An65
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I have a marriage certificate for one of my possible ancestors, with Joiner Buckley as the bride's father. Her name is Naomi Buckley and she married James Taylor in Stow,Suffolk, in 1861. He is a licensed hawker.
Methinks this is the Kiomi on the family history page I found at Ancestry.com.
Rom names were often mis-transcribed. Justinia Buckley/Smiths name turns up transcribed as Testaner and Jessima on the census transcriptions. Lazarus turns up as something unpronouncable on one of them as well. Its worth knowing too, that the Buckleys sometimes went under the alias of Smith. It did not matter one jot to them if they used the mans surname or the wifes, or indeed his mothers or heaven only knows what connection.
Dud aka Arkless Buckley aka Smith was the hubby of Genty/Jenty/Genti/Gentee Gray g.d/o the fabled No Name Heron/Hearn/Herring for a short time. Its hard work checking out the Rom connections. Follow your nose, and go by gut instinct. Likelihood is, you are probably right. Genty/etc various was bapt as Gentee. she often turns up on the census as plain Jane Gray - but she married Arkless (call it Hercules if you like!) Smith/Buckley and he is with her on the 1871 census only as plain Arthur. But he was a Buckley who went by the Smith name. Jenty Smith died in 1918 and is buried at Gorleston Cem in Yarmouth.
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An65
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youre welcome 
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matilda1973
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Hi Ann
do you have the census folio for Genty and Hercules in 1871 as i can find that one which last name are they using
thanks merry christmas
Matilda
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travellers: Penfold,Holland,Orchard,Loveridge,saunders,James,Davis
Somerset/devon: Hawkins,Lane,Perryman,Saffin,Bowden,Warren
Yorkshire/Lincolnshire: Webster,Gleadell,Gott,Patrick,Milnes, Beverley
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An65
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Copied from my site:
Thorpe Common, Gypsies In tents, Thorpe St Andrew, Norfolk, 1871
RG10 1828 28 48
Orsera Gray 61 Travelling Musician Hornsey (Horningsea) (Oseri)
Eliza Gray 55 Lincoln Lin (nee Heron)
Soberona Gray 20 North Walsham "Leborina"
Sonny Gray 40 Kelby Lin
Keona Gray 28 Wisbeach "Kiomi"
Emma Gray 22 Norwich
Adolphus Gray 25 Long Sutton
Ethel Maud Gray 8 Scholar Grandaughter London
Frederick Gray 6 Grandson London
Madelina Gray 3 Grandaughter Scholar London
Henry Herbert Gray 1 Grandson Norwich
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Boyer Brown 65 Long Sutton Lin "Bui"
Lydia Brown 50 Bury St Edmunds Sfk "Liti" nee Smith
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Alice Rupert?? 44 Hawker Cambridge
Willimania Rupert?? 19 camp attendant Kent
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Thomas Brown 52 Dealer of Horses Lengton Cam
Lydia Cooper daughter 40 Fakenham "Lidi"
Sapariel Brown duaghter 23 Wisbeach
Edith Cooper 23 Gdtr Yarmouth
Noah Brown 13 Gson Edgefield
John Brown 17 Gson Houncett?
Cordelia Brown 11 Gdtr Reedham
Alfred Brown 4 Gson Thorpe
Laura Brown 1 Gdtr Norwich
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Arthur Smith 29 Cane Chair Mender Hornsey Sfk "Arkless"
Jenty Smith 30 Boston (Genti Gray)
Obadiah Gray 15 Stepson musician Hengham (Ingham)
Norah Gray 9 stepdaughter North Walsham
Oscar Gray 6 stepson Sprowston
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matilda1973
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thanks Ann
 i looked and couldnt see it , should of looked harder 
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travellers: Penfold,Holland,Orchard,Loveridge,saunders,James,Davis
Somerset/devon: Hawkins,Lane,Perryman,Saffin,Bowden,Warren
Yorkshire/Lincolnshire: Webster,Gleadell,Gott,Patrick,Milnes, Beverley
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An65
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That looks very interesting!!! thanks for that Lavina
Oh Joiner isnt related to me by the way.
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An65
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I think Lavinas baptisms are for the right family. Josiah also turns up as John in one census, and that info gave Sidney, Arthur and Elias (as opposed to Goliath) as children born at the right kind of time to be those baptised in Kent.
Overall, from what Ive been able to snoop around at on Ancestry, the picture is now looking roughly like this:
Joe Buckley married Lavinia Skipper
(both born cir 1780)
They had at least 4 children, all of whom can only be dated to approx 1810.
Elijah, who died in 1833
Hirum, who appears on the 1861 and 1871 census's at Tollesbury Ex, a Brazier born cir 1797 (apparently at Halstead EX). I havent been able to discover a family for him, but he appears to be a widower so its possible we may yet find some.
Sam, no other info.
Joiner b.cir 1810 died 1886 Plaistow Ex, married Sarah "Seni" Smith and possibly the "John Buttery" born cir 1813 Little Wenlock, Shropshire, who appears on the 1871 census with his married daughter Naomi Taylor.
Well Joiner and Sarah/Seni Smith had:
Josiah (or Joseph or John) b.cir 1837 Kent, d.1873, married Alice Smith b.cir 1838 Soham Cam d.1921.
Carnation b.cir 1839 d.1916 also married Alice Smith (presumably late in life).
Justinia b.cir 1835-40 Bury St Edmunds, married Woodlock Smith uncle of the Evangelist Gypsy Rodney Smith.
Naomi b.cir 1845 Bury St Edmunds married James Taylor 1861 Stow Sfk.
Santalena b.cir 1848 "Colomotor" Ex married Harriet b.cir 1842.
Frank b.cir 1842 Sfk married Elvira Williams b.cir 1849 d.22.02.1882 West Ham
Phoebe b.cir 1842
Hercules b.cir 1843 Sfk
Josiah and Alice had:
Walter b.cir 1857 or 1867 *poss mistranscribed "Ramham" Ex (Raynham??)
Arthur b.cir 1862 Haddon Com, c.4.09.1864 Offham Kt
Sidney b.cir 1865 Orfton Gn, c.04.09.1864 Offham Kt
Elias b.cir 1867 Coffeshall Ex "Goliath" c.08.09.1867 Offham Kt
Eleanor b.cir 1869 Laughton Ex
Lazarus b.cir 1872 d.1925 married Elizabeth Shaw b.cir 1871
Agnes b.cir 1875 Gotham Ex
Prudence b.cir 1875 Upton Park Ex
Matilda b.cir 1877 Upton Park Ex
Florence b.cir 1879 Upton Park Ex
Justinia Buckley and Woodlock Smith had:
Saleh or "Chlar" as one census records her, b.cir 1866 Bury St Edmunds Sfk
Owen b.cir 1866 Wendon Sfk
Hezekiah b.cir 1867 Wendon Sfk
Matilda b.cir 1880 London.
Naomi Buckley and James Taylor had:
Alfer(Alfie?) b.cir 1863 Bury St Edmunds
Beatrice b.cir 1865 Bury St Edmunds
Orian or Owen?? b.cir 1867 Bury St Edmunds
Selma b.cir 1869 Bury St Edmunds
Theodore b.cir 1871 Plaistow Ex
Isabella b.cir 1881 Hopton Sfk.
Santalena and Harriet had:
Pearson b.cir 1863 Petherer Stf
Adeline b.cir 1865 Petherer Stf
Patrick b.cir 1867 Petherer Stf
Emily b.cir 1869 Petherer Stf
Arthur Hyter (female) (cant read it so have gone with Ancestrys transcription)
b.cir 1870 Plaistow Ex
Finally of course, there is Frank and Elvira, but you already have those.
Hope that helps a wee bit.
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An65
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The only Taylors I came across previously was the family of Phoenix Taylor who married Elizabeth d/o Riley Boss (aka James Heron) and Lucy Boswell. They tended to hang about the Yorks area, tho did sometimes go as far south as Suffolk at least.
As for info found, its all down to Ancestry.co.uk.
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jjudgetree
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Hi, noticed your reference to the family of Phoenix and Elizabeth Taylor. These are my wifes's great great grand parents. You mentioned encountering them in the yorkshire area. Would it posible you could point us the direction of what you found please?
Regards and thanks in advance
Glyn
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