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ccr
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i have an OPR marriage record from the Parish of Kilmonivaig 1846 and I cannot make out the name of one of the places maentioned. I would like to be able to scan and put up for you to see but though I know the terms I am computer dyslexic! The nearest I can get is Dru/a chaid/l- na-L/h araith. .
It is where a Roman Catholic marriage was celebrated by a Mr/ Mgr Gillies.
Can anyone help me to find the correct place name please.I think it must be near Glengarry.
Gaelic speakers I apologise!
Chris.
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Chortlegirl
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Hi Chris
I've had a look at a few maps of the area and couldn't find anything that fits completely with the spelling you've got.
I'm not a Gaelic scholar, but I understand that "drochaid" is Gaelic for bridge. Could this be the first part of the place that you're looking for?
There's a place called Torr na Carraidh (Torr means hill or mound) on the south shore of Loch Garry (could "na Carraidh" be the second part of your place?). If you click on the link below, there's a picture of a bridge (and also a grid reference) from Torr na Carraidh across Loch Garry.
Putting two and two together (and probably coming up with 15!) -perhaps this modern bridge had predecessor known as Drochaid na Carraidh? Maybe someone who knows the area better (and probably has a better knowledge of Gaelic than me too!) might be able to advise further.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/233468
Probably a bit of a long shot, but you never know!
Best wishes
Lynn
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Gunn, Grant, McAskill, McKenzie, McIver, McLeod (Gairloch, ROC, Scotland)
Ross, McLeod, Campbell, Graham, Gair, Bain, McCulloch (Nigg & Fearn, ROC, Scotland)
Thomson, Matheson, Paterson, Gray, Munro, Fowler, McDonald, Murray, Hossack, McKenzie (Resolis, ROC, Scotland)
McTavish, Fraser, McLellan(?) (Dores, INV, Scotland)
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ccr
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Hi Lynn, your idea sounds quite plausible. I keep looking at the OPR to see if I can decipher any more and I think your Idea seems the most likely. Is It anywhere near a Catholic church? If so then that would make senes vecause that's where the marriage took place.
Thanks for your help.
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angusm
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Don't get too hung up on the prximity of a church. While pre-1855 marriages were registered by the priest, the actual ceremony more often than not took place in the relevant township.
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Martin Briscoe
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You can try searching CANMORE square by square around that area to see if there are places with that name.
Set Type to CHURCH (I think)
If that does not give any matches then you try searching for any place names that fit or go to CANMAP, zoom into the area and look around for names - you can zoom to 1:10000 so much more detail than on ordinary 1:50000 maps.
http://www.rcahms.gov.uk/
Not as likely to show anything but you can look on Am Baile.
http://www.ambaile.org.uk/index.jsp
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
POUNDER - Middleton Tyas, Kirkbymoorside, Stokesley, Lambeth, Bolton, Newcastle on Tyne, Leeds
HAMMOND - Quebec, Laverton, Masham, Grantley
SWALES - Laverton, Masham
O'Shea - Quebec
PARRY - Caerhun, Deiniolen, Clwt y Bont, Brynrefail, Tal y Sarn, Brynrefail, Bethesda
EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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ccr
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Tried Am Baile but no help. Cannot access the other one.
Chris
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Martin Briscoe
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Tried Am Baile but no help. Cannot access the other one.
Chris
The RCAHMS seems to be down at the moment, try again later in the week when they have recovered from New Year's Eve!
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
POUNDER - Middleton Tyas, Kirkbymoorside, Stokesley, Lambeth, Bolton, Newcastle on Tyne, Leeds
HAMMOND - Quebec, Laverton, Masham, Grantley
SWALES - Laverton, Masham
O'Shea - Quebec
PARRY - Caerhun, Deiniolen, Clwt y Bont, Brynrefail, Tal y Sarn, Brynrefail, Bethesda
EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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ccr
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Thanks Martin. I have been trying since you sent me the first message but can never access. Does the site still exist. I have tried at all times of day and night with no joy.
Chris
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Gadget
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Hi Chris
If you like, you could send me a copy of the entry by e-mail and I'll put up the relevant section for you. Someone might recognise the words.
I'll PM you my e-mail 
Gadget
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Martin Briscoe
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Thanks Martin. I have been trying since you sent me the first message but can never access. Does the site still exist. I have tried at all times of day and night with no joy.
Chris
The site has been going for some years and carries the Scottish National Monument Record so I don't think it will be disappearing! Probably either some maintenance going on over the holiday period or it has crashed over the holiday period.
I notice that COFLEIN, the Welsh (RCAHMW) equivalent of the Scottish RCAHMS's CANMORE, is also down. They both use the same software and might even be on a shared server perhaps.
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
POUNDER - Middleton Tyas, Kirkbymoorside, Stokesley, Lambeth, Bolton, Newcastle on Tyne, Leeds
HAMMOND - Quebec, Laverton, Masham, Grantley
SWALES - Laverton, Masham
O'Shea - Quebec
PARRY - Caerhun, Deiniolen, Clwt y Bont, Brynrefail, Tal y Sarn, Brynrefail, Bethesda
EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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Hi
I think most marriages in those days actually took place in a home rather than a church. The 1841 census for Invernessshire has been fully transcribed on FreeCEN (link below). Have a look for the brides and the grooms family address and see if that helps.
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/
Andy
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Gadget
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Hi
After a bit of a struggle, I think I've finally got the portion of the image sorted. I attach it here. It looks like Achluachraih to me (after which is written in the Braes of Lochaber). I've also attached the other place mentioned.
Can you confirm that this is the correct record, Chris. It is the 1846 one. You mentioned 1854 in your e-mail 
Gadget
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Martin Briscoe
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I thought the second was a spelling of Cluny (Cluinay) then when looking around for something like the first word I noticed a Achluachrach on the OS map about one mile East of Roybridge. Then saw on the South side of the river half way to Roybridge there is a Chlinaig.
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
POUNDER - Middleton Tyas, Kirkbymoorside, Stokesley, Lambeth, Bolton, Newcastle on Tyne, Leeds
HAMMOND - Quebec, Laverton, Masham, Grantley
SWALES - Laverton, Masham
O'Shea - Quebec
PARRY - Caerhun, Deiniolen, Clwt y Bont, Brynrefail, Tal y Sarn, Brynrefail, Bethesda
EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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Martin Briscoe
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CANMORE is now back on line, those two places
Achluachrach, Crofthouse
Type of Site: Term Pending
NMRS Number: NN38SW 24
Map reference: NN 3013 8099
Parish: Kilmonivaig
Council: Highland
Former District: Lochaber
Former Region: Highland
Site Summary
Open the HLF website in a new window Open the RIAS website in a new window
Achluachrach, from c.1700 Crofthouse with attached byre built into a bank with heavy boulder footings, the slightly battered walls testifying to its age. In the 19th century it was the store, with a raised porch reached from the road above housing the post office.
Taken from "Western Seaboard: An Illustrated Architectural Guide", by Mary Miers, 2008. Published by the Rutland Press
References
Miers, M (2007 )
The Western Seaboard: an illustrated architectural guide,
Chlinaig
Type of Site: Township
NMRS Number: NN28SE 20
Map reference: NN 2856 8014
Parish: Kilmonivaig
Council: Highland
Former District: Lochaber
Former Region: Highland
Archaeology Notes
NN28SE 20 2856 8014
What may be township, comprising five roofed buildings, one unroofed building, two enclosures and a field is depicted on the 1st edition of the OS 6-inch map (Inverness-shire 1872, sheet cxli). One partially roofed building, one unroofed building and the field are shown on the current edition of the OS 1:10000 map (1971).
Information from RCAHMS (AKK) 20 September 1996.
Might be a complete red herring but seems a possibility.
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
POUNDER - Middleton Tyas, Kirkbymoorside, Stokesley, Lambeth, Bolton, Newcastle on Tyne, Leeds
HAMMOND - Quebec, Laverton, Masham, Grantley
SWALES - Laverton, Masham
O'Shea - Quebec
PARRY - Caerhun, Deiniolen, Clwt y Bont, Brynrefail, Tal y Sarn, Brynrefail, Bethesda
EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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Gadget
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Margaret's husband to be, Donald Campbell, was listed as a Shoemaker, living at Achluachraih/Achluarchrach, Braes of Lochaber at the time of the Banns
In the 1841, the following family are listed:
Achaluachrach, Kilmonivaig
District 99 ED 10 Page 5
Catherine Campbell,65-69, crofter's widow
Catherine, 40-44
Sarah, 30-34
Donald, 25-29
John, 25-29, shoemaker
Duncan, 10
Angus, 1
Rebecca McDonald, 20-24, female servant
All born Inverness-shire.
Looks like the place name is solved, hopefully
However, this doesn't relate to the ref Chris gave me for 1854 but she did say 1846 in her first message!
Gadget
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