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indigobloke
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Dear all
I am trying to find more details about my great, great grandfather John Gordon.
He married in Sydney, Australia, in his late 40s and the certificate (1860/377) says he was a widower with 2 living sons from his first marriage.
He gives his parents as William Gordon (builder) and Mary Robertson.
In the IGI, I have found what is likely to be his christening details:
29 AUG 1812 St Cuthbert Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.
I have also been able to identify details of Mary and her family in the IGI.
John unfortunately died while my great grandfather, Stewart, was very young so family knowledge of him is slim. However, he is thought to have been a sergeant-major in the Gordon Highlanders, was discharged in Scotland and traveled to Australia as a ships engineer.
What I am trying to find are details of John's marriage and his 2 sons. I'm not sure if this earlier marriage was before or after he migrated; I'm guessing it was before but I can't be certain. The family seems to have moved away from Edinburgh by the time of the first available censuses; I can't seem to find any trace of them, but I haven't searched exhaustively.
I'd appreciate any pointers.
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Peter
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Hi Peter,
I think the parents William and Mary are in 1841 census, (remember this census asked all to round down to nearest 5 years)
At 7, St Anthony Place, Edinburgh St Cuthbert’s, Midlothian on 6th June 1841
William Gordon 60 b 1781 Scotland – Builder
Mary Gordon 60 b 1781 Midlothian wife
Henny (sic) Gordon 40 Midlothian
William Gordon 30 b 1811 Midlothian – Builder
Alex Gordon 30 b 1811 Midlothian - Mason
The parents do no appear in 1851 census, but the young William does.
I think you will have to try and trace John's son's birth certificates. if you have the info, list names with approx dates of births. We maybe able to find them.
Tom
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chris mac
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Hi Peter,
I too am researching John Gordon.He was my gt gt grandfather. Stewart Gordon was my gt grandfather. My line is down through Stewart's son Spurgeon Gordon. I have tracked down the same info that you have and am in the process of trying to find out when John came to Australia as well as when and where Sarah Peebles died. Also I am trying to track down any info regarding Eliza his 2nd wife. Hope we can get in contact.
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Chris Mac
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indigobloke
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Hi Peter,
I think the parents William and Mary are in 1841 census, (remember this census asked all to round down to nearest 5 years)
At 7, St Anthony Place, Edinburgh St Cuthbert’s, Midlothian on 6th June 1841
William Gordon 60 b 1781 Scotland – Builder
Mary Gordon 60 b 1781 Midlothian wife
Henny (sic) Gordon 40 Midlothian
William Gordon 30 b 1811 Midlothian – Builder
Alex Gordon 30 b 1811 Midlothian - Mason
The parents do no appear in 1851 census, but the young William does.
I think you will have to try and trace John's son's birth certificates. if you have the info, list names with approx dates of births. We maybe able to find them.
Tom
Dear Tom (or anyone else)
John and Sarah (Peebles) Gordon seem to disappear from records after their marriage in September 1836 -- can't find them in either the Scottish or English 1841 or 1851 censuses. So haven't been able to trace the children's births yet.
One possibility I haven't followed up yet is that he did join the military and was sent somewhere. I suppose Ireland is a possibility. He may also have been sent to the Crimean war and come to Australia after that ... the dates could be about right (we still haven't found his arrival date and only have his marriage date -- 1860).
An alternative is to find the children. I have assumed that Sarah died. If she did, the children would have been left with family. In the 1841 census, there is an unmarried sister "Henny" (=Henrietta?). Maybe she took the kids in. The other alternative is a member of the Peebles family. All I know about them is that Sarah's father's name was David.
I'd be grateful for any other ideas or information.
Peter
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Peter
I posted details of William brother's will. Re-reading your post, see that you already referred to it 
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hi Peter and Monica,
I am having difficulty getting the same info as you, in the 1861 Scottish census. I use Ancestry and cannot get young John as a 9 yo English born, attending school in Fife. Did you get this from another source. I am not sure if this young John is correct one, parents married in 1836 and him not being born until 1852.
There is a death of Sarah Comb Peebles in 1948 on the IGI but not sure if this is correct one, either.
Did you get the will of John's brother, did it specify about John's children. If you get time, can you give more info re this link.
Tom
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MonicaLesl
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This is the will & t entry on SP:
William Gordon, 25/02/1858, Builder, residing at Lothian Road in Edinburgh- Edinburgh Sheriff Court Wills SC70/4/56 and 05/02/1859 Additional Inventory at Edinburgh Sheriff Court Inventories
Tom, there is a 9 yr old John Gordon (indexed as Gordan) b. England showing in Cupar Fife
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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From that 1851 census entry in St Pancras London, I wonder if this is the birth reg for son John:
2nd Qrt 1852 : John Alexander Brash GORDON at St Pancras - Vol 1b Pg.144
Now if this is the right birth entry, I wonder...... 
1881 Scotland:
At a lodging house in Glasgow Barony:
John Alex B Gordon 28, actor, b. England
Eliza Gordon 27, wife actress, b. Dundee
Monica
Address: Wellington Arcade Or 83 Renfrew St, Blythswood, Glasgow Barony
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Sticking on the St Pancras theme, there is also this death showing:
1st Qrt 1855 Sarah Gordon at St Pancras - Vol. 1b Pg. 111
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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John AB Gordon married Eliza Scobie on the 22nd December 1875, at St Rollox, Glasgow. Luckily just within the IGI's index of civil registration marriages.  It should help with parents' names, etc.
No obvious deaths showing for John or Eliza in Scotland.
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MonicaLesl
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Thanks Hume
Sadly, a good possibility just gone pop - wrong parents on the MC 
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Hi Monica and Hume,
I will try and get this reply in before you find some other gem of info, 3 times I have been ready to answer, but got the message, another update been received.
Basically, I am trying to authenticate the son's names, but I cannot find any definite use of John, being son of John Gordon and Sarah Peebles. If there were 2 sons, I would have thought William and/or David would be used as they were grandfathers names.
I have delved into Gordon Highlanders theatres of wars, and not connected with Crimean War as a regiment but individual soldiers may have been transferred from the Gordon Highlanders.
Tom
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