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Peonie (mz)
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Looking for Oma's roots
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Hi Gill,
Assert is pronounced very much the same as in English - a-sound like in half or father and the double ss is a very sharp s. Hope that makes some sense to you.
mz
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Raphael
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I have searched in vain for a number of years for records of my great aunt Louie.
I have her on the 1891 census, but she has taken the name of her step father. I cannot find her anywhere else - no birth or death records (even though I have her original death certificate!)
I really want to find her birth certificate. She was born in 1886 to German parents Adolf and Johanne (Hanna) ASSERT. (Probably in Hull, but not definate)
I was wondering how the name Assert would be pronounced in German. Maybe it has been transcribed in a totally different way.
Any help gratefully received.
Thanks
Gill
Hello Gill,
As Mike Zulu has explained the pronuciation Ie; s and ss (ß).
I feel that there is a transcription error, as I have lived as a child when my father worked there, and I married a German later after the occupation after serving later in the British Army. and have never come across Assert, which has several entirey different words in German, depending on the context it is used in, & the German has no relationship to the english spelling.
Is it possible for you to ask relatives, when and where in Germany her stepfather was born? or copy a section of the Cert you have with the name so we can try to decipher it. But that as you know can be due to the person who filled in the Certificate not hearing (soundex) it clearly.
Hope this helps
Kind Regards
Raphael
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Delaunay, Hackney,McIntosh, Manchester -Lancashire, Salford, Blackley, Crumpsall, Cheetham Hill M/cr. Grappenhall-Warrington. Düsseldorf & Derendorf , NRWF Germany.
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Raphael
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Thanks Mike Zulu for the enlightenment re Assert
This is the first time I have ever seen or heard Assert as a surname, You live and learn. I know it's meaning in German, but I never knew it as a Familienname. I have put your link in my favourites,
Thanks again for the link with the map.
Raphael UK & Düsseldorf NRWF
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Delaunay, Hackney,McIntosh, Manchester -Lancashire, Salford, Blackley, Crumpsall, Cheetham Hill M/cr. Grappenhall-Warrington. Düsseldorf & Derendorf , NRWF Germany.
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JustinL
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In German, the stress or emphasis would be slightly different. In English, the 'a' is stressed, i.e. a-ssert. I would pronounce this surname Ass-ert - with a long 'a' and a hissing 's'. The 'ert' would be like 'air' followed by a 't'.
The name would appear to be most unusual, which should make it easier to trace.
I tried a basic search in ancestry and came up with Asserts from Zittau (Saxony, 1935), Braunschweig (Lower Saxony, 1866 & 1911), Hamburg and Landeshut (Silesia - southern Poland, c1895).
Did you notice that a Hannah Assert married in Hull in Q1 1889?
Good luck,
Justin
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rjknott
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In 1901 she is living with her widowed stepfather (and family) in Sculcoates as Louisa Frow, 14.
(RG13/4489)
What is her date of death (and name when she died)?
Richard
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Knott,Boutell,Warman,Winder,Webster,Uings,Evans,Drage
Pike,Pike,Watson,Pratt,Homewood,Stephenson,Brown,Pattison
Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,?,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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rjknott
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I cannot find her anywhere else - no birth or death records (even though I have her original death certificate!)
She is certainly in the death records:
Dec 1970 Louie Assert b 24 Nov 1886 Leeds 2c 1006
Richard
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Knott,Boutell,Warman,Winder,Webster,Uings,Evans,Drage
Pike,Pike,Watson,Pratt,Homewood,Stephenson,Brown,Pattison
Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,?,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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J.J.
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Census Crown © www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hanna's first marriage was in the region where there seems to be the most activity on the freeBMD for births and marriages. ( London/Middlesex/Surrey)There is a large difference between years for the marriage in 1874 and the second marriage in 1889, yet no births between except for one in East Yorkshire, 1879 for a Rosanna Assert...In 1891, Louis ( now Frow ) is stated as being born Yorkshire as well...Are there any other children in 1891 , as I can't see the household...
I know that you have this, but am posting marriage March Q. 1874
Adolph Bernhart Assert & Johanne Louise G Meinecke Whitechapel vol.1c p.633
There is also a marriage for a Walter Alfred Assert in Mile End 1880
(1901 has him born Germany) and for an Alfred m. in 1884 Lambeth...
J.J.
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