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Abiam
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Small pox epidemic 1876/77
« on: Monday 17 December 07 14:44 GMT (UK) »

Can someone direct me to a good site about this epidemic which wiped out nearly the whole family of one of my ancestors.  The parents and young children.
Thank you, Abiam
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Re: Small pox epidemic 1876/77
« Reply #1 on: Monday 17 December 07 14:56 GMT (UK) »

What district would this be, Abiam.  ?

If you expand your post by letting us know details of the family name & distict we may be able to find some info.

Smallpox epidemics seemed to be breaking out( pardon the pun) everywhere & anywhere in the 1800s.

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Re: Small pox epidemic 1876/77
« Reply #2 on: Monday 17 December 07 16:24 GMT (UK) »

Hello and thank you for your reply,

I have only just come across this info.

Lucy Wise B. 1802 and Thomas Brant B. 1815 from Warfield Berkshire married 1835. 

Two of their children Anna Maria Brant B. 1844 and Sally (Lulu) Brant B. 1848 left home and went to London in in 1873.

Annie Marie met George Montgomery and married???
They had 3 children:
Paul Montgomery Tom Brant B, 1873 D. 1877
Diana Lucy Humes Montgomery B. 1875 (survived)
William Montgomery B. and D. 1877.

These children were born in the work house.

This is the last sentence I have:

Thomas, Lucy and Lulu Brant Annie Maria, William and Paul Montgomery all died between Nov. 1876 and Feb. 1877.

The missing husband was a commercial traveller selling china in China!!!

So I imagine they were in London but I don't know if Annie Marie's parents were in London or if the family had moved back to Berkshire.

That is all the info I have at present any help will be much appreciated,
Abiam

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Re: Small pox epidemic 1876/77
« Reply #3 on: Monday 17 December 07 16:28 GMT (UK) »

How do you know they died of small pox? have you got the death certs? (presumably not, or yuo would know place of the deaths - London or Berkshire)
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Re: Small pox epidemic 1876/77
« Reply #4 on: Monday 17 December 07 16:50 GMT (UK) »

This is so sad, isnt it?

From Free death indexes:

Oct Nov Dec 1876
Annie Montgomery age 32 Chelsea 1a 181(no middle name)
and
William Montgomery aged 0 Chelsea 1a 181

so ANnie and baby die in London

looks like little Paul goes to live with grandparents and takes the germs with him:

Jan Feb Mar 1877

Paul Montgomery age 3 Berkhampstead 3a 282 9no middle names)
and
Thomas Brant age 62 berkhamstead 3a 282
and
Lucy Elizabeth Brant age 74 (was she really 12 yrs older than husband?) Berkhamspead 3a 181 (death probably before her husband and grandsons as on page before)

also - cant find Sally or Lulu, but there is a
Sula Brant Oct/Nov/Dec 1876 Lambeth age 27 - is that her?

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Re: Small pox epidemic 1876/77
« Reply #5 on: Monday 17 December 07 16:58 GMT (UK) »


There is a birth for a William Montgomery Dec Q 1876 in Chelsea, so perhaps it was not smallpox but  a death related to childbirth for William and his mother.


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Re: Small pox epidemic 1876/77
« Reply #6 on: Monday 17 December 07 17:00 GMT (UK) »

Thank you so much for all that info.  So it looks as though the Grandparents were in Berkhampstead.

As you say such a sad story.  This all arrived this morning from an unexpected source in Australia so I am very pleased to have it sorted out.

I would still be interested in reading more about the smallpox in London at that time.  In my ignorance I thought it the worst of it was over by then.

Thanks again,
Abiam
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Re: Small pox epidemic 1876/77
« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 December 07 17:08 GMT (UK) »

Still wonder how yuo know it was smallpox!!!

Some births:

Sally Brant Jan/Feb/Mar 1847 Easthampstead

Cant find Anna Maria

PAul Montgomery T Brant
Jul/Aug/Sep 1873
St George HAnover Sq
(no evidence to say this is the same as the plain Paul Montgomery who died in Berkhamsted 3 yrs later without getting certs)

Diana Lucy H Montgomery
J/F/M 1875
Chelsea

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Re: Small pox epidemic 1876/77
« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 December 07 18:07 GMT (UK) »

Lizdb
As I said this has only just come to me today and the sender is in Australia.  As there were some actual dates maybe she already has certs, she says she has papers.....  I shan't be pursuing certs for the family as they are fairly distant unless I win the lottery!
Regards, Abiam
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WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!!!!
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
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Re: Small pox epidemic 1876/77
« Reply #9 on: Monday 17 December 07 19:02 GMT (UK) »

There is something here about the 1871 outbreak and hospitals.  http://www.portcities.org.uk/london/server/show/ConNarrative.68/chapterId/1649/Containing-smallpox-in-Victorian-London.html

Smallpox wasn't really wiped out until the 1960s see Wikepedia

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Re: Small pox epidemic 1876/77
« Reply #10 on: Monday 17 December 07 19:33 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Sylivaann,
I shall read up on this,
Regards, Abiam
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WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
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TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
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