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Topic: COMPLETED NEWELL/NEWOLD Sutton PR Look-up (Read 269 times)
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janan
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Hi
Could someone please check the following in Sutton for any further info - I know it isn't very likely at this early time, but worth a try!
Baptisms
George Newill 12 APR 1665
Mary Newold 18 DEC 1666
Thomas Newold 27 FEB 1668
Elizabeth Newold 2 JUL 1672
All children of George and Elizabeth
Marriage
George Newold to Faith Turner 02 JUL 1689
Burial
George NEWOLD 10 Mar 1705
These in Clifton already done thank you
Baptisms
Amie Newold dau Radolph 05 DEC 1604
George Newold son of Radolph 29 OCT 1609
Alice Newold dau of Newold 5 Jul 1612
Grace Newold dau Radolph 19 MAR 1614
Ann Newall dau Radolph 19 SEP 1618
Eliz Newold dau Radolph 14 MAR 1620
George Newel son of George 26 JUN 1638
Marriage
George Newall to Elizabeth Arnell 30 NOV 1665
Thank you in anticipation
Jan 
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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bedfordshire boy
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Hi Jan
I only have Clifton transcript - no extra details in any of them , which is not surprising - amendments in bold
Baptisms
Ann Newold dau Ralph 05 DEC 1604
George Newold son of Ralph 29 OCT 1609
Alice Newold dau of .....Newold 5 Jul 1612
Grace Newold dau Ralph 19 MAR 1614
Ann Newall dau Ralph 19 SEP 1618
Eliz Newold dau Ralph 14 MAR 1620/1
George Newel son of George 10 JUN 1638
Marriage
George Newall to Elizabeth Arnell 30 NOV 1665
David
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janan
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Hi David
Thanks for checking those - the amendment of Radolph to Ralph further confirms that the this is the same chap who married Alice NICHOLLS in Southill 31 OCT 1605 and that he is the Ralph NEWELL buried 26 Aug 1640 in Clifton.
Ann NEWOLD dau of Ralph baptised 5 Dec 1604 remains a bit of an anomaly being before the marriage.
Hopefully someone will be able to check the Sutton transcripts at some point. Whether this will in anyway help add weight to my supposition that the George and Elizabeth having children in Sutton are George Newall and Elizabeth Arnell married Clifton 30 NOV 1665 is probably unlikely!
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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bedfordshire boy
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As expected, nothing extra in the transcript for the Southill marriage. Odd that Ann Newold took Ralph's surname 10 months before his marriage. Not so odd though if the burial of Ann Newold in Clifton on 15 Dec 1604 were his first wife and he then remarried in Southill, but there's no indication in Clifton transcript to show if she was his wife or his daughter born a few days earlier.
There's a Thamar Newell dau of Ralph baptised in Southill on 29 Sept 1606
David
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janan
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Hi David
Thank you for checking that out. I was wondering if Ralph had been married before nothing on the IGI but since most parishes don't start till 1602 that is no great surprise. There are a couple of things pointing towards the Ann dying being the baby daughter rather than wife - there is no marriage I can see for Ann in Clifton (or elsewhere in right time frame) and Ralph and Alice have another daughter Ann baptised Sep 19 1618 (not that that means anything!).
Actually the only marriage I can see for a likely daughter of Ralph is Grace in 1638.
Jan
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I don't agree that most parishes don't start until 1602. The majority of Beds parishes - 74 out of 131 - on the IGI start before 1600 and there are more eg Clifton, where the IGI starts at 1602 but the transcript starts earlier (the IGI isn't taken from the transcript).
BTs started in 1598 and I suspect that this might be the reason for a number of parishes not starting until 1602- the PR has been lost and the IGI is taken from the BT
Clifton PR Transcript
10 Oct 1604 Marriage Ralph Newold & Ann Broune
That explains everything! Except why it's not on the IGI - which is taken from another transcript according to the source call notes for that batch
What a quick marriage - married on 10 Oct, baby baptised on 5 Dec, mother buried on 15 Dec. Matched, hatched and despatched in two months.
David
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Hi David
Thanks everso for finding that marriage ( and for sorting me out on my rather sweeping statement about start of most Beds parishes on the IGI )
I have another even quicker marriage - David Saunders married Hannah Bean 12 Oct 1862, Hannah Saunders (my g grandmother who married Robert Carver over on the left) born 12 Nov 1862, Hannah Saunders senior died 29 Nov 1862 - very sad.
Jan
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Hi John
Just pushing this back up the board as you seem to have access to the Sutton PR's, so might be able to help.
Thanks in anticipation
Jan 
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janan
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Thanks John
Jan
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Jan,
From the Sutton parish registers; the 4 baptisms & marriage as per your opening post reveal no additional information. However the burial says that George Newold was a blacksmith.
But staying in Sutton other Newold/Newall entries are as follows.
13 Jan 1670 Marriage of Edm Hemings to Ann Newold
10 Nov 1605 burial of Wm Newell
24 Jul 1668 burial of Mary, daughter of George & Eliz Newold/Newall
29 Sep 1673 burial of Eliz, wife of George Newold
16 Apr 1674 burial of Eliz, daughter of George & Eliz Newold
4 May 1704 burial of Eliz, wife of George Newold
8 Nov 1720 burial of Cath, wife of Thomas Newel
15 Nov 1725 burial of Thomas Newold, blacksmith
8 Nov 1727 burial of Grace Newold, widow
Also noticed on Wrestlingworth PR, its in same book as Sutton;
24 Aug 1690 baptism of Eliz, daughter of George & Faith Newell
regards John
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Thanks everso for all that John
This George confirmed as a blacksmith too and a possible brother Thomas which is exciting as it back-ups my belief that this George was the one baptised Cople 1638. Fantastic! More burrowing to be done.
Jan
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