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Re: Mawson
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 19 December 07 14:03 GMT (UK) »

Those also on the Darlington site

I can't find a suitable John as father with son John Darlington in 1841
There is another John with father George and mother Rebekkah but aged 5

The 1841 for James & Hannah: (1851 you already have)
HO107/303/21 fol.31 p.7
Clay Row, Darlington
James Mawson 30 Lab No (not b. in county)
Hannah  "         30        Yes
John       "           2        Yes


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Re: Mawson
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 19 December 07 14:11 GMT (UK) »


I think that Tati's original look up was probably correct for 1841

HO107/307 F26 p4

John Mawson 25  Excavator
Mary     "         30
Ann       "           7
John      "           3

All born in county

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« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 19 December 07 14:25 GMT (UK) »

Well here they are in 1851, but John jnr b. Dalton, not Darlington:

HO107/2391 fol 581 p.4
93 Quarrington Hill, Quarrington, Durham
John Mawson head m 37 Coal Miner Appleby, Yorks  (poss Eppleby like James?)
Mary      "       wife  m  42                  Dalton Durham
John      "        son       12                      "           "
Ann       "        dau       17                      "           "
William Hardwick lodger u 20 Coal Miner  Mill Hill, Barnett

1861 RG9/3710 fol.70 p.12
34 High Street, Spennymoor, Durham
John Mawson head m 47 Coal Miner Appleby Yorks
Mary     "        wife  m  50                  Dalton  Durham
Mary Jones g.dau         8                   Quarrington Hill Durham
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Re: Mawson
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 19 December 07 14:28 GMT (UK) »

Coucou Geoff  Wink

With the birth place given as Dalton, this could be him in 1881 - ruling him out I suppose  Undecided
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« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 19 December 07 14:32 GMT (UK) »

If Paul's sure his John was born Darlington..... depends if Dalton means Dalton on Tees about 3 miles away, or Dalton le Dale, much further away.
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« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 19 December 07 16:02 GMT (UK) »

1871 RG10/4888 fol.57 p.16 indexed under Manson
Sadberge
John Mawson head m 31 Ag. Lab  Darlington
Elizabeth "      wife  m 28               Middlesides
James John "   son      10               Fighting Cocks

Same son as DS found in 1861 so obviously another wife to find - so that 1864 marriage may be right
there's a marriage in 1859 on the Darlington site, John Mawson to Mary Ianson 1859 and a Mary Mawson death in 1862

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Sept 1852 Marriage Ann Mawson with John Jones Easington 10 a 260

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Sorry I put the wrong quote it should have been the 1861 Census
   
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Re: Mawson
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 20 December 07 10:03 GMT (UK) »

Apologies for the delayed reply, I was on late shift last night.

I have taken Johns birthplace (Darlington) from the census images, such as 1901.
I do not own his Birth certificate.

I am astounded that I missed the fact he had 3 marriages. I never did think to search on surname variations.

I have Elizabeths death certificate, but I do not have John's birth certificates.
Now that I know there is two so close together I may just have to order both and make sure his parents didnt have a son that died young and called the following son by the same name.

Still perplexed by the John/James think - maybe an emunerator error.

Thanks to everyone for there help, sometimes even the most blatant of things isn't obvious when your looking at things the wrong way.
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« Reply #22 on: Thursday 20 December 07 10:33 GMT (UK) »

Hi Paul,

You can always ask the registrar to check the cert for parents before buying it

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Re: Mawson
« Reply #23 on: Friday 28 December 07 16:37 GMT (UK) »

Hi all,

I hope you all had a good Christmas.
I have just returned home from a holiday in the lakes to find the most recent certificates I ordered lying on the doormat  Smiley

Right here goes........

I have the following marriage certificates;

November 12th 1837 - James Mawson (a full age - Labourer - Father called John) & Hannah Robinson (a full age)

November 28th 1859 - John Mawson (21 years - labourer - Father called James who is a labourer) & Mary Ianson (21 years)

November 10th 1864 - John Mawson (25 years - brick maker - Father called James who is a farm labourer) & Elizabeth Watson ( 23 years)

April 8th 1896 - John Mawson (56 years - brick maker - Father called John who is a labourer) & Martha Johnson (40 years)


And I have the following birtch and death certificates;

Birth: June 2nd 1839 - Darlington - John Mawson - (Father called James Mawson who is a labourer, Mother called Hannah Mawson, formerley Robinson).

Death: November 22nd 1894 - Eliabeth Mawson, wife of John Mawson - foreman (brick maker).


Maybe I am looking in the wrong places, but does this info solve the James/John confusion?
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« Reply #24 on: Friday 28 December 07 19:06 GMT (UK) »


Hi Paul,

That seems like a difficult one to sort out. I spent some time going back over the various postings and can only come to the conclusion that John/James was used interchangeably. Not sure if that is right but there seems to be no direct evidence to confirm or disagree.
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Re: Mawson
« Reply #25 on: Friday 28 December 07 20:13 GMT (UK) »

Many thanks for taking the time to look at this problem for me.
I am starting to think this is as far as I can get with my immediate family tree
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« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 02 January 08 00:13 GMT (UK) »

Paul,

I think James Mawson and Hannah Robinson are the parents of 1839-Darlington-born John Mawson.

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"Rule" No 1 of the English Naming Pattern (ENP) =
Name your first son after his father's father.

The father of James Mawson , husband of Hannah, was John Mawson ( From their marriage cert)

James/Hannah named their first son JOHN..

John son of James, grandson of John, marries Mary I'Anson (1859) and names first son JAMES... after his father !
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Now on to geography.... taking Census 1851 as a benchmark.. ( C1841 no specific birthplaces) showing father James and son John.

Brettanby, Barton lay in the North Riding of Yorkshire (NRY), less than 4 miles south-west of Darlington in County Durham.

Although in different counties, Barton lay within the Registartion District of Darlington.

James Mawson, husband of Hannah is recorded as born Eppleby, NRY, on 1851 census. Eppleby lay within the Parish of Gilling West, within Darlington Reg Dist.  His son John, 12 years, is recorded as born Darlington.,

Now track father James, son John though the subsequent censuses.....

James is also recorded as born Eppleby on censuses 61, 71,  and 81. (Dies 1888, reg at Darlington.)

John Mawson, who marries Mary I'anson, Elizabeth Watson and Martha Johnson is consistently recorded as born Darlington from 1851 through to 1901 census ( Ages pretty consistent also)

(John's mother, Hannah is recorded on censuses as born Butterknowl or Copley ( both neighbouring hamlets within the County Durham Parish of Hamsterley-Auckland Reg Dist.)
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On Census 1861 John Mawson and fairly recent wife Mary, are in own household ( although her father John I'anson is nextdoor) in Fighting Cocks community in County Durham
( parish of Middleton-St George.. Darlington Reg Dist)

Still farly close to John's parents in Barton/Newton Morrell.

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James John Mawson, son of John Mawson and Mary I'anson, marries Dorothy Todd in South Shields/Boldon Colliery area.

James/Dorothy call their first son John (reg Sept 1892 So. Shields).. after his father !

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So after a fairly consistent set of records, I think the only spanner in the works is the marriage cert, number 3, which shows John as John's father !

I cannot explain this other than suggest it is a simple misrecording ?   By the way what was the name of Martha Johnson's dad's name ?

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Wee Summary of what I think is the relevant set of records, which you already have.

C1841 Darlington 303/21 31-7

C1851 Barton NRY 2382-44-22.
C1851 Firby, Bedale NRY  2378-100-2

C1861 Barton 3682-77-24
C1861 Fighting Cocks, Low Dinsdale 3683-33-19 (x2)

C1871 Barton $879-34-13
C1871 Sadberge, Co Durham 4888-57-16
C1871 Fighting Cocks 4885-55-37

C1881 Barton 4890-13-19
C1881 Fighting Cocks 4890-52-12
C1881 Fighting Cocks 4890-47-2(x2)

C1891 Boldon Colliery 4162-7--44
C1891 Tyne Dock 4161-93-3
C1891 Fighting Cocks 4045-110-1
C1891 Fighting Cocks 4045-110-2

C1901 Boldon Colliery 4746-30-51
C1901 Tyne Dock 4737-90-14
C1901 Fighting Cocks 4614-69-21(x2)

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Re: Mawson
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 02 January 08 09:59 GMT (UK) »

Michael,

Thanks a lot for the very comprehensive reply.
It is reassuring that I appear to be following the right track.

Marthas Father is called Robert Johnson, who is a labourer.

I am intrigued as to where you found such comprehensive information.

Paul
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« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 02 January 08 10:11 GMT (UK) »

Paul,

I got info ( lots more that I edited out) sitting here my PC.

Mainly delving* into and cross-referring censuses and civil registrations and always with a good map on hand.

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Re: Mawson
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 02 January 08 10:30 GMT (UK) »

I really must pay more attention.
I was unaware of a marriage between James and Dorothy Todd.

I have renewed my ancestry subs so hopefully I will uncover more.
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