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1851 census entry lookup please
« on: Friday 21 December 07 23:00 GMT (UK) »

Hi,

I'm trying to work out if Caroline WHITE born about 1832 Hampshire  is the Caroline White that married in Farnham Mar qtr 1843 according to FREEBMD on rootsweb.

In 1841 my Caroline White was in Burghclere, Hampshire with brother JOhn and parents  John and Jane.

So wondering if there's a Caroline in 1851 census born around 1832 (guessing born close by Kingsley, Alton, East Worldham, Binsted or Winchester are some places I've come across with fellow family members)
married to a John Compton,
Andrew Marchant,
Henry Moorey or George Mullard.

Any suggestions appreciated. Not much to go on really is it.

Thanks Lilygirl.
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Re: 1851 census entry lookup please
« Reply #1 on: Friday 21 December 07 23:19 GMT (UK) »

Think it must be Henry Moorey, in 1851 he is listed as Murray, and is married to a Caroline and they have a visitor Elizabeth White, but both women born Sussex.

Henry has a name correction on ancestry which says: Henry Moorey married Caroline White. Their visitors surname is White. She was born in Lichmere. In the 1861 census they are Mooreys (except Caroline who I assume must have died)

If you don't have access to ancestry, and wish me to contact the person who made the alteration just say.  She may still not be 'your' Caroline White of course!
Full census details if you want them

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Re: 1851 census entry lookup please
« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 December 07 23:32 GMT (UK) »

Hi there,

WOW White popping up amongst that what a fluke wonder how that ties in?!
Can you please post the 1851 entry you found for Caroline?
How do you go about contacting whoever made the change?? I'm not up with that at all and don't have access. Can you please tell me more about it?!

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Re: 1851 census entry lookup please
« Reply #3 on: Friday 21 December 07 23:40 GMT (UK) »

Maybe it's a long shot but is there any way of searching the 1851 for a caroline born in about 1832 Hampshire? then look at possible birthplaces close by or would there be thousands?
Or can't you search like that??

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« Reply #4 on: Friday 21 December 07 23:52 GMT (UK) »

Yes, I did search like that first. Lots! And you don't really know where she was born....  have you found her parents and siblings in 1851 to see where they were born?

Not exactly a fluke, I was just checking the possible marriage partners of Caroline White in 1851 census, and Henry Moorey turned out to be the one of the four names that matched!

1851 HO107/1595 fol.364 p.9
Critchmere, Frensham, Farnham, Surrey
MOOREY
Henry head m 39 Ag. Labourer  Surrey Frensham
Caroline wife m 27                       Sussex Linchmere
James    son       8 Scholar           Surrey Guildford
William     "         5     "                     "     Frensham
George     "        3      "                     "         "
Mary Ann dau    2                             "         "
Elizabeth   "       2 months                "         "
Elizabeth WHITE visitor u 24 Needlewoman Sussex Linchmere

The person who makes a correction to a name on ancestry has to leave a contact name, and I could sen him a message on your behalf if you wish, he's possibly researching the family, but the amendment was made in 2006 so you may not hear anything.  I could give him your email address - you'd need to give me that in a p.m., or I can just ask him to contact you via Rootschat.

Barbara
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 22 December 07 00:02 GMT (UK) »

Search over.  Have just found them all in 1851, she's still at home.  Why didn't I do that first?  I thought you must know she was married
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HO107/1685 fol.410 p.11
Village, Newtown, Hampshire
John White  head m 42 Ag. Lab  Newtown Hants
Jane    "       wife  m 40    "   wife  Darley or Danby
John    "         son s  20 Ag  Lab   Chelsea
Caroline "     dau  s  19                Newtown Hants

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Re: 1851 census entry lookup please
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 22 December 07 00:09 GMT (UK) »

Hi Barbara,

Thanks for the info so far.

I'm not sure that can be them but guess shouldn't rule it out as the names of the kids seem to fit in really well with names in that line but guess probablyjust common names.

Only know Jane was born 1813 Kingsley and have her until 1881 census. The last 3 were at 10 West End Tce Winchester.
her husband was John born 1813 Winchester, and a grocer and with his wife jane still in the 1881.

In 1851 there was a nephew John White age 15 with them when they were at Bar End Portsmouth Road Millard Winchester. Also a niece Elizabeth BOLE age 20 born Binsted. Funny thing is in 1861 there's an Elizabeth COLE age 30 born Binsted with Jane and John so maybe same person?Huh? not sure how they both fit in as yet but no doubt related somehow. (Thought the Elizabeth BOLE may have been mistaken for Elizabeth BIDDLE as Jane was a BIDDLE before she was married but so far can't seem to fit Elizabeth to any of her siblings.







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Re: 1851 census entry lookup please
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 22 December 07 00:12 GMT (UK) »

Hi barbara,

I had John and Jane White in 1851 HO107/1674/326/37 Winchester

wouldn't you think ??
Birthplaces seem to fit in even tho kids are missing???

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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 22 December 07 00:15 GMT (UK) »

Or maybe I've got the 1841 entry for the john jane john and caroline you posted in 1851.
That may be more like it.

Is there anything in 1841 that looks more like my
John White born 1813 Hampshire
Jane White born  1813 Hampshire

closer to or around Winchester??
which may mean there's also a 5 yr old John and 10 yr old Elizabeth BIDDLE/BOLE/COLE with them also in 1841??
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« Reply #9 on: Saturday 22 December 07 00:19 GMT (UK) »


I had John and Jane White in 1851 HO107/1674/326/37 Winchester


It always helps if you can say what you already know when you post your query!  Wink


Think this Caroline married James Keel 1853 June Qu Newbury 2c 361

1861 census RG9/720 fol.175 p.11
Back Common, Newtown
John White  head m 54 Ag. Lab  Kesteven Hants
Jane     "      wife  m 50  "    " wife Derbyshire Derby

next door:
James Keele head m 37 Ag. Lab  Newtown Hants
Caroline  "    wife  m  29  "    " wife   "             "
Adam      "     son        5  Scholar       "             "

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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 22 December 07 00:41 GMT (UK) »

Have had a look at the 1851 census, and the visitor's name is Elizabeth Cole, just transcribed as Bole



will have another look at 1841 for John & Jane

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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 22 December 07 01:08 GMT (UK) »

Found Elizabeth Cole, living with another family:

1841 HO107/382/2 fol.18 p.12
Holybourne, Binstead, Hants
George Gates 30 Ag Lab
Martha     "     30
Emily 7, James 5, Sarah 2, Ann 1
Elizabeth Cole 10
all born in county

Still looking for John & Jane.  They may not have had any children at all, and may have married after 1841.

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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 22 December 07 06:02 GMT (UK) »

Hi there,

Yeah good point they may have married after 1841 who knows.

Is there any chance of finding Jane Biddle at all then in 1841 census.
She was chr 1813 Kingsley but 1841 only states if born in county or not doesn't it.

Ane Elizabeth Cole - if she's a niece wonder how she'd fit in.
Guess need more info to work that one out.  Maybe one day that might be solved! LOL but then again maybe not! LOL.


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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 22 December 07 08:49 GMT (UK) »

No, can't see Jane Biddle in 1841, sorry
How do you know John White married Jane Biddle, do you have the marriage details?  Where did her baptism details come from?

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« Reply #14 on: Thursday 27 December 07 12:48 GMT (UK) »

Caroline White baptised in Hampshire in 1832:

5 Aug 1832 parents James & Alice, Kings Somborne
25 Mar 1832, parents John & Jane, Newtown

1833:

19 May 1833, parents James & Harriet, Ringwood.

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I'm trying to work out if Caroline WHITE born about 1832 Hampshire  is the Caroline White that married in Farnham Mar qtr 1843

Reading that again, personally I doubt it: she was only 11 in 1843 and it was definitely illegal for an 11 year old girl to marry.

So do you mean 1853?

Can you list the facts that you have and the source?  It may help me get my brain back into gear  Wink

Nell

PS Don't rule out Berkshire parishes either.
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