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James Faulkner & Family
« on: Saturday 22 December 07 11:32 GMT (UK) »
My 5 x grandfather James Faulkner died Qld Aus so have good info from Qld death cert, place birth as Newport Pagnall BKM 1824 and his parents names.  He is there in BKM 1841 census with father John in Silver St Newport Pagnall - no mother present. 

Had no luck till I tried BDF and I found what I believe are his parents marriage John & Elizabeth (nee Burrows) Faulkner in Cranfield BDF on the IGI extracted from parish records.

Any suggestions on where to go next?  I have found possible brothers & sisters on the IGI (working on possibility that James’s children’s names might be same as family members) but how do I go about proving it is my family?  And if family members were not born in either BDF or BKM where else nearby is likely?  Any suggestions what to do next?

Thanks Liz  Grin
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Re: James Faulkner & Family
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 22 December 07 11:53 GMT (UK) »



   You may be on the right track as I have this in 1851...

  Newport Pagnell Silver St    HO107/1723 F 408 P 22

John Faulkner  hd m 67  Sawyer Cranfield
Elisabeth Faulkner wife m 67 lacemaker Cranfield

Cranfield is close to Newport Pagnell and Newport would be the biggest town nearby to move to with more trade and markets


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Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: James Faulkner & Family
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 22 December 07 12:16 GMT (UK) »
Thats excellent.  My James was a Sawyer in Aus too   

I thought maybe Elisabeth may have been dead, so that's food for more thought!  Wonder where she was in 1841?

Thanks for the help

Liz Smiley
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Re: James Faulkner & Family
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 22 December 07 13:15 GMT (UK) »



   Hi Liz......

Well cannot see her anywhere clearly in 1841 but she's still around in 1861, I think her death maybe q4 1861 Newport Pagnell.

1861 Newport Pagnell North End RG9/873 F 32 P 5

North End Newport Pagnell

John BURROWS  hd m 44 millers foreman beds Cranfield
Mary                   wi m 51                          bucks Newport Pagnell
Eliza M             dau u 21 dress maker        "   "     "    "     "    "
Sarah A           dau u 17 domestice servant         "    "      "    "
SusanE           dau u 14                                       "     "      "    "
ELIZABETH FAULKNER AUNT W 77 PAUPER  BEDS CRANFIELD.

So that matches the Faulkner /Burrows marriage.

                 Tazzie

  Newport Pagnell marriage 1839 John Burrows to Mary Fossey.

I have Fossey in Husbourne Crawley again not too far away!
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Re: James Faulkner & Family
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 23 December 07 04:43 GMT (UK) »
Wow! Good sleuthing!  So John must have died 1851-1861 period.

Well that answers a good part of the proof question.  Now to work out how the famillies were structured.

Thanks so much Tazzie!

Liz
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Re: James Faulkner & Family
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 23 December 07 13:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi Liz

There is this lady in 1841 who looks a possible

Carlton, Beds
Eliza. Faulkner 60 Lace M Y in household of I think Jno Stack or Stock 30 and Emily 29 it is very faint.
HO107/8/4/5 Pg4

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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: James Faulkner & Family
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 23 December 07 16:50 GMT (UK) »
I've checked the CDrom which is much clearer. It's Wm and Emily Stock, who married in Carlton in 1834 (Amelia Halett), so no obvious connection to Elizabeth Faulkner.

I can't see Elizabeth in 1851, nor is there a burial of an Elizabeth Faulkner in Carlton 1841-51.

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: James Faulkner & Family
« Reply #7 on: Monday 24 December 07 05:50 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all so much for looking for her. 

I suppose one day she will turn up somewhere, where I least expect it.

Liz
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Re: James Faulkner & Family
« Reply #8 on: Monday 24 December 07 06:06 GMT (UK) »
I wouldn't necessarily rule out the one Jan found. It would take more research to eliminate her

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: James Faulkner & Family
« Reply #9 on: Monday 24 December 07 07:25 GMT (UK) »
Yes you're right.  Its one more bit of information - to see how it fits the puzzle.

Would you be able to tell me how far way Carlton is from Cranfield or Newport Pagnall?

And did they round ages up or down in 1841?  Smiley
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Re: James Faulkner & Family
« Reply #10 on: Monday 24 December 07 11:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi liz
Carlton is about 9 miles NE of Newport Pagnell - so not far away. As for ages they were actually rounded down in 41- so 60 is 60-64. As she is staying with people who may have guessed her age and given you have some possible discrepancy in her age anyway, it is nothing to worry about. Her occupation is the biggest pointer to her being your Elizabeth but as David says more research needed on the family she is with etc.
Have a good Christmas
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: James Faulkner & Family
« Reply #11 on: Monday 24 December 07 11:53 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Jan.  Lots more food for thought.

Hope you also have a good Christmas!
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