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Faysie
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I am seeking any information about my 4th Great Grandmother Mary Medcalf born Circa 1761-1762 Lynn Norfolk. This lady is a real mystery and had a few skeletons in her Closet, but I am hoping that SKS may be able to help me... I am trying to find Mary's birth- Village and her parents names especially her mother..
From the research I have done. it appears that Mary could have married a William Gager 24 October,1784 @ All Saints, Sudbury,Suffolk.Mary was aged about 30 years- I do not know what happened to William... then she married Joseph Bevitt ( different spellings for this surname) 29 September, 1794 in St. Martins/Field- Westminster, London. Joseph may have died between 1807- 1816 in Middlesex area England. Mary was aged 33 years...
Mary Beverton as she was called was tried Old Baily on 20 April, 1814 being in possession of Forged Money and sentenced to 14 years Transportation to Australia.... she was listed as a Widow. accompanied by four of her children ( Mary Ann- Sarah- Isabella - and Joseph. Mary arrived in Australia 24 February, 1817. aged about 56 years.
I do look forward to hearing from someone who may have access to records- as I live in Australia it is rather difficult for me to access Mary's birth... I do have an online copy of the Transcript from the Old Bailey of her Trial.
Thank you for your patience.. and a Very Happy, HealthyNew year.
Faysie
Gold Coast Australia.
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teddybear1843
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Hi
Where did you get the information telling you that she was born in King's Lynn?
Getting married at 30 during this time was very unusual for a woman, unless she was widowed.
When did she change her name from Bevitt to Beverton?
The children; were they Bevitt, Beverton or Gager?
Have you looked for wills for any of the people you mention?
Sorry to ask so many questions, but, I need information before I can folow up this request further and to stop duplication of work.
Teddy
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teddybear1843
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Hi Faysie
Sorry to be a bit on the negative side, but, to be certain that you have correct information, I would start by checking the original source materials that you know about.
Start with the known and work backwards, as usual.
You know where she was living in 1828, was she "free" then? If so, were there any papers relating to that? Are you sure she didn't leave a will? She ran a business and had four children. Do you know when she died and where she was buried? If you do, check for the tombstone as they often have extra information on them.
Do you know what happenned to all of her children? If they became rich or important, their obituary, or will could help with information.
If I was you, I would check the marriage to Joseph Bevitt for clues. Who were the witnesses? Was it by Banns or Licence?
When she committed her crimes, where was she living or where did she commit the crimes?
She was accompanied by four of her children, were there others and, if so, what became of them?
Have you googled Bevitt or Beaverton? Looked on other family hiostory sites for people researching these names?
You say that Joseph came from the Middlesex area and was born c1760-1770, where did you get that of information?
I am sorry to be even more questioning, but I would rather that we have covered all avenues to ascertain the correct information before we go any further.
Teddy
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Bevfort
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Hi
Sorry to intrude into this e mail message trail but I am most intrigued by your interest in Mary Beverton.
I have been researching the Beverton tree for the last few years and have hit a complete brickwall with Samuel Beverton born 1780 - my GGG Grandfather. Everything I have found makes him being born in the St Leonard's Parish Shoreditch then in Middlesex. In the same area at that time (and back to John Beverton buried in the same parish in the late 1500s) there are a few other identified Bevertons that I am trying to link to Samuel.
Among these I have been trying to research a link to the Mary Beverton on Old Baily site with my Samuel Beverton.
I have come across a parish marriage record of a Mary who
marries a William Beverton (and therefore becomes a Beverton) in Hackney Middlesex in the first years of the 1800s. I have a copy of the parish marriage record at another address to this PC.
My theory was that Mary just might have been Samuel's sister in law.
This William and Mary Beverton disappear from the records there after but in the 1830s there are two female Bevertons in the St Leonard's Workhouse who don't fit in with any of the Beverton Trees I have compiled - an idea which I had was they just may have been William and Mary's children
Is there any remote chance we have been researching the same Mary?
It would be great if you are able to respond to this message and we could compare research.
Regards
Bevfort (London UK)
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Faysie
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Dear Bevfort,
No need for any apologies, so glad you left a message...
I too am as confused about this lady who it seems is a real Mystery..yesterday I spent 4 hours @ my local History Society, trying ( being the operative word) to find out more about her... my next step in this search was to order and LDS film of the Marriage of Mary Gager to Joseph Beavatt/Bevitt (akas Beverton from The Old Bailey Records) they were married 29 Sept 1794 St Martins In The Field, Westminster, London... I am hoping that the Parish Registers of St. Martins will answer a few questions for me.. (1) Was Mary Gager a Widow at the time of this Marriage ( 2) Who the Witnesses were and (3) hopefully her Parent name...
There are too many un-answered questions. Here in Australia thereare many people who either have or are researching Mary- but I keep coming up with the same words in the Documents ( I'm not saying they are wrong) but it appears that everything is copied... hence my curiousity..
I have purchased Mary's Certificate of Freedom issued in 23rd April,1828 , in New South Wales - It clearly states her name Mary Bevatt- Native Place Lynn, Norfolk, England...
Your message is even more intriguing to me.. and certainly plausible from my point of view as I can['t find any record of a Mary Gager being born in Norfolk, Middlesex or anywhere for that matter..
I have printed out you message and will keep it.. should I find out anything I will post a Message to this Board...
Thank you for your response.
Faysie
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Kent & North Family - Hampshire.
Burke- Co Galway Ireland
Sharp/e- Sth Kyme-Pinchbeck & Blankney Lincolnshire
Plowright - Pinchbeck. Lincolnshire
Higman & Seldon Family- Stoke Damerol. Devon.
Freebody -Middlesex-London
Gravel- Prestwich. Manch-Lancashire
Fraser/Frazer- Salford Manch Lancashire
Berry- Bollington. Cheshire
Micklethwaite -Stalybridge & Tintwhistle. Cheshire.
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Bevfort
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Hi Faysie
Great to hear from you.
As I have researched the Beverton tree there are certain names that keep coming back to haunt me and Mary Beverton is one of them.
As I said in my first e mail I have hit a brickwall with Samuel Beverton born 1780. In order to try to overcome this I have researched all his children, obtained his trade directory records etc etc. What is difficult to track down are the parish records for St Leonard's Parish Shoreditch.
A couple of other points I have found about the name Mary Beverton - not the precise person you may be looking for but maybe of some help:-
1. In 1796 there was another Mary Beverton (spinster) - she married a John Cordell on 22 May 1796 at St Leonard's Parish Church Shoreditch - I have a copy of the parish record showing that this Mary Beverton cannot provide a signature. One of the witnesses was a William Beverton who also cannot provide a signature
2. As I said in my first message a William Beverton got married to a Mary in 1802. I have a copy of the parish record but I just can't find it at the moment (when I started this search I never dreamed there would be so much paperwork to collect). Anyway I have a separate record showing that her maiden name was Mary Chapman and that they were married at St John Parish Hackney Middlesex - within walking distance of St Leonard's Parish Church Shoreditch . Entries for this can be found on Pallots Marriage Index 1780 - 1837
As per tradition for the time the Bevertons were very keen use parents names children for their children. By my reckoning still to be proved Samuel Beverton born 1780 father was also called Samuel Beverton. An entry on the Pallots Marriage Index 1780 - 1837 shows a Samuel Beverton marrying a Margt Jeffries in 1810 at St Gile in the Fields which again is not far from St Leonard's Parish Church Shoreditch. This Samuel Beverton was a widower on his second marriage and he was certainly not Samuel Beverton born 1780.
This is where the theory comes in if Samuel Beverton born 1780 had a brother called William Beverton who in turn had a sister called Mary Beverton who William acts as a witness at her wedding it just may be the case that both Samuel and Mary were named after their parents. This could mean that there were three Mary Bevertons in the Middlesex country in 1790s and early 1800s.
3. Incidently the name Mary Beverton goes back much further - the first real post Middle Ages census in the UK called Citizens within the Great Walls of London in the 1600s lists a Mary Beverton born 1635 approx occupation a servant in the St Mary le Bow Parish.
4. There is also another Mary Beverton by marriage in 1712 in the Shoreditch parish - but lets stay clear of her at the moment - this is getting really confusing now.
Two final points
1. there was another Beverton transported to Australia in the early 1800s - a Thomas Beverton on HMS Newcastle - I have no idea how he fits in the Beverton Tree.
2. Why am I so interested in this tree? My surname is Beverton and this tree is my paternal line. We Bevertons show up in the most unusual places.
Hope the above helps in someway.
It would be great if we could keep in touch - if I find out any more on Mary Beverton (whichever one it is) I will let you know just in case it is any help with you research.
Best regards
Bevfort
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Good Morning Teddy.
which means her name could be Mary Medcalf born Lynn Norfolk.