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David-G
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Hi Catherine,
My Margaret Blackadder was born c1776. She's on the 1841 Census in St Ninians, Stirling with her husband James Sinclair. All their children were born in St Ninians.
She seems to be a couple of generations back from the family you mentioned. I had another search for Blackadders, but there are hundreds of them! A surprisingly common name. Maybe we have a link, but can you get further back with yours? I'd like to talk more about this with you.
If you do one more post here apparently we can "chat" via the site!
davidagourlay and you can find me on g m a i l (dot) c o m
David
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Pam Chetland
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Hi David and Catherine
I have a lot of information on the Blackadders in Falkirk Stirlingshire and have been trying to link them to the Blackadders in Stirling, if anyone can help me with that I would be grateful
The Margaret Blackadder you mention b 1776 in Stirling, I think had a brother James Blackadder b abt 1765, the reason I think there is a connection is, they were both in Milton Stirlingshire on the 1841 census and they both had sons who were nailers which in my expereience is very much a family occupation
I have the death certs for three of the above James Blackadder's children, on two of them he is described as a nailer and on the other he is described as a weaver which he probably became as he got older
I also have quite a bit of information on the Stirling Blackadders, all of which I am happy to share
Regards
Pam
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David-G
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Hi Pam,
Thanks for your reply. Margaret Blackadder was my 4 x Gt Grandmother so I am very keen to find out more.
I have no information about her parents or siblings, but I know she married James Sinclair and they had at least 9 children born between 1804 and 1831 in St Ninians, Stirling.
I can't see any connection to Falkirk, but I'd like to speak to you more.
Regards
David
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DDJJake
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Here's some more data on Blackadder of the Falkirk area who married into my RENNIE line ...
Thomas Blackadder (John, William) was born on 10 Jul 1801 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland. He died on 3 Jan 1866 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Thomas married Helen Bell on 9 Dec 1821 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland. They had the following child : Mary Blackadder was born on 4 Aug 1826 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland.
Mary married William Rennie son of Michael Bruce Rennie {Blacksmith] and Jean Taylor on 17 Jun 1849 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. William was christened on 13 Feb 1825 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. They had the following children: Helen Rennie was born on 6 May 1850 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Jane Rennie was born on 8 May 1852 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. William Rennie was born on 13 Jul 1854 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Thomas Blackadder Rennie was born on 21 Feb 1857 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Mary Rennie was born on 9 Sep 1860 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Michael Bruce Rennie [Grate Fitter] was born on 8 Sep 1861. John Blackadder Rennie was born on 29 Nov 1864 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Andrew Rennie was born on 28 Nov 1867 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Mary Blackadder Rennie was born on 3 Mar 1871 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.
Michael Bruce Rennie [Grate Fitter] (Mary Blackadder, Thomas, John, William) was born on 8 Sep 1861 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Michael married Annie Miller [Twin][Widow] daughter of Archiebald Miller [Hammerman] and Margaret Yorkston on 4 Jun 1889 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland. Annie was born on 30 Jan 1859 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland. They had the following children:Mary Blackadder Rennie was born in 1891 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland. William Rennie [Grocer] was born on 28 May 1893.
William Rennie [Grocer] (Michael Bruce Rennie, Mary Blackadder, Thomas, John, William) was born on 28 May 1893 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland. William married Catherine Forsyth daughter of Alexander Forsyth and Catherine Paterson on 3 Jan 1921 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Catherine was born on 27 May 1894 in Tillicoultry, Clackmannan, Scotland. They had the following child: Catherine Paterson Rennie was born in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Catherine married James Adams Mackay Meikle on 22 Apr 1947 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. James was born on 12 Aug 1921 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. He died on 13 Jan 1962 in Malinda, Kenya, Africa.
Aye
DDJJAKE
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Pam Chetland
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Thank you for all the Blackadder information you posted, it has already been added to my tree
Regards
Pam
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DDJJake
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Here is more earlier data,
First Generation
1. William Blackadder was born on 23 Mar 1737 in St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland.
William married Jean Burgess about 1770 in St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland.
They had the following children:
+ 2 M i. John Blackadder was born in 1770.
+ 3 M ii. James Blackadder was born in 1778.
Second Generation
2. John Blackadder (William) was born in 1770 in St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland.
John married Mary Kerr on 11 Apr 1794 in Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland.
They had the following children:
+ 4 M i. Thomas Blackadder was born on 10 Jul 1801. He died on 3 Jan 1866.
3. James Blackadder (William) was born in 1778 in St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland.
James married Margaret (Carr) Kerr on 21 May 1809 in Stirling, Stirling, Scotland .
They had the following children:
+ 5 M i. William Blackadder was born on 26 Mar 1810. He died on 15 Jan 1859.
Third Generation
4. Thomas Blackadder (John, William) was born on 10 Jul 1801 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland. He died on 3 Jan 1866 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.
Thomas married Helen Bell on 9 Dec 1821 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland.
They had the following children:
+ 6 F i. Mary Blackadder was born on 4 Aug 1826.
5. William Blackadder (James, William) was born on 26 Mar 1810 in Stirling, Stirling, Scotland . He died on 15 Jan 1859 in Sydney, NSW, Australia.
William married Anne Poole on 30 Dec 1833 in Sydney, NSW, Australia.
They had the following children:
+ 7 M i. James Blackadder was born on 26 Feb 1840.
Fourth Generation
6. Mary Blackadder (Thomas, John, William) was born on 4 Aug 1826 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland.
Mary married William Rennie son of Michael Bruce Rennie {Blacksmith] and Jean Taylor on 17 Jun 1849 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. William was christened on 13 Feb 1825 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.
They had the following children:
8 F i. Helen Rennie was born on 6 May 1850 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.
9 F ii. Jane Rennie was born on 8 May 1852 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.
10 M iii. William Rennie was born on 13 Jul 1854 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.
11 M iv. Thomas Blackadder Rennie was born on 21 Feb 1857 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.
12 F v. Mary Rennie was born on 9 Sep 1860 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.
13 M vi. Michael Bruce Rennie [Grate Fitter] was born on 8 Sep 1861 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.
Michael married Annie Miller [Twin][Widow] daughter of Archiebald Miller [Hammerman] and Margaret Yorkston on 4 Jun 1889 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland. Annie was born on 30 Jan 1859 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland.
14 M vii. John Blackadder Rennie was born on 29 Nov 1864 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.
15 M viii. Andrew Rennie was born on 28 Nov 1867 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.
16 F ix. Mary Blackadder Rennie was born on 3 Mar 1871 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.
7. James Blackadder (William, James, William) was born on 26 Feb 1840 in Morpeth, NSW, Australia.
James married Sarah Waldon on 6 Nov 1869 in Coldstream River, NSW, Australia.
They had the following children:
17 M i. George Charles Blackadder was born on 20 Dec 1874 in Grafton, NSW, Australia. He died on 3 Feb 1937 in Grafton, NSW, Australia.
George married Thurza Ann Ruth Taylor on 18 Mar 1902 in Grafton, NSW, Australia.
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Auchmutie, Ingles, Henderson, Patrick, Collier, Hunter, McLeod et al in Fife, Scotland
Nicoll in Angus, Scotland
Cuthbert in Perth, Scotland
Telfer, Telford, Maclaren in Stirlingshire, Renfrewshire, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Richardson in Lochmaben, Dumfries
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Pam Chetland
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Hi DDJJake
This is what I suspected, but you have James Blackadder b 1778 married to Margaret (Carr) Kerr as the parents of William Blackadder b 26 Mar 1810, who on the 1841 was living with his father James b abt 1765 and his sister Jean, on the1851 census William was a nailer and was living with his sister Jean b abt 1802 they also had a brother James Blackadder b abt 1811 and a sister Agnes who was the informant on her brother William's death cert
I know this because I have all their death certs, but their parents on all of them were James Blackadder and Agnes Robertson, I thought initially that James had perhaps married twice and maybe that is in fact the case, there is no record of a marriage for James Blackadder and Agnes Robertson nor any children recorded as born to them
When I first found the death cert for James Blackadder I thought perhaps the informant had got the name of his mother wrong but when I found the next two DCs giving the same mother's name I felt they must be correct
My email address is (*) if you would like a copy of the aforementioned DCs get back to me this way and I will send them on
Look forward to hearing from you
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Pam
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DDJJake
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Pam,
Unfortunately for your hypothesis .....
5. William Blackadder (James, William) was born on 26 Mar 1810 in Stirling, Stirling, Scotland . He died on 15 Jan 1859 in Sydney, NSW, Australia.
William married Anne Poole on 30 Dec 1833 in Sydney, NSW, Australia.
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Auchmutie, Ingles, Henderson, Patrick, Collier, Hunter, McLeod et al in Fife, Scotland
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Cuthbert in Perth, Scotland
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Richardson in Lochmaben, Dumfries
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David-G
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In relation to this information:
Here is more earlier data,
First Generation
1. William Blackadder was born on 23 Mar 1737 in St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland.
William married Jean Burgess about 1770 in St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland.
They had the following children:
+ 2 M i. John Blackadder was born in 1770.
+ 3 M ii. James Blackadder was born in 1778.
My ancestor was Margaret Blackadder, born c1776 in St Ninians. Do you have any information that she could have been a sister to John and James? Or information that she was NOT related?
Regards
David
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DDJJake
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Hi david-G
An 1841 Census for St Ninians transcribed from 'freecen' .....
SINCLAIR James M 64 Flour Miller born Stirlingshire
BLACKADDER Margt F 45 born Stirlingshire
SINCLAIR Alexr M 20 Nailer born Stirlingshire
SINCLAIR James M 12 Apprentice Nailer born Stirlingshire
SINCLAIR John M 10 born Stirlingshire
This Margaret Blackadder was thus c. 49 or 48 or 47 or 46 or 45 and born between c. 1792 and 1796 if approximate ages to the nearer 5 or 0 was (as normally) employed by the Census taker.
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David-G
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Indeed. Typing error on tree. My manual records of course have dob as 1796. I wonder if there is a link with the Blackadders of St Ninians that you mentioned. I've done a lot of digging, but without success.
David
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David-G
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Re my previous posting, I've been having another look, and I am somewhat confused now. So a bit of thinking aloud here! Apologies if it doesn't make sense!
I have the Census form you mentioned, and I looked at it again, and agree that her age appears to be 45, giving a year of birth of c1796.
On my Genes reunited tree, for some reason, I had her year of birth as 1776, which would make her 65 in 1841.
Now, I have a number of children for James Sinclair and Margaret Blackadder - as per the following from Scotland's People:
No Date Surname Forename Parent Names/Frame No. Sex Parish City/County GROS Data Image Extract
1 13/02/1817 SINCLAIR ALEXANDER JAMES SINCLAIR/MARGARET BLACKADDER St Ninians /STIRLING
2 10/08/1815 SINCLAIR BEATRIX JAMES SINCLAIR/MARGARET BLACKADDER St Ninians /STIRLING
3 18/05/1811 SINCLAIR JANET JAMES SINCLAIR/MARGARET BLACKADDER St Ninians /STIRLING
4 24/03/1804 SINCLAIR JEAN JAMES SINCLAIR/MARGARET BLACKADDER St Ninians /STIRLING
5 16/04/1805 SINCLAIR JOHN JAMES SINCLAIR/MARGARET BLACKADDER St Ninians /STIRLING
6 28/07/1813 SINCLAIR MARGARET JAMES SINCLAIR/MARGARET BLACKADDER St Ninians /STIRLING
7 26/04/1807 SINCLAIR WILLIAM JAMES SINCLAIR/MARGARET BLACKADDER St Ninians /STIRLING
The youngest being born in 1804. Fits with Margaret being born c1776.
However, another relative and I had a theory. Could the Margaret Blackadder on the 1841 Census be a niece rather than a wife? Given the birth in 1804 (and others) with parents John Sinclair and Margaret Blackadder, is it possible the wife died before 1841 and her niece moved in? A niece also called Margaret? Could this explain the use of the name Blackadder rather than Sinclair in the Census?
Any other theories?
David
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DDJJake
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Yes !
Using the Scottish naming tradition, if Margaret Blackadder was a daughter of William Blackadder and Jean Burgess who had John B. in 1770 and James B. in 1778, both in St Ninians, then she and James Sinclair would name their 1st born daughter, Jean (which they did) and 2nd born son, William (which they did).
Looks a good hypothesis!
DDJJAKE
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apanderson
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Another wee snippet for you guys ........
According to Michell's pre-1855 Book, St. Ninians Old Churchyard, East Stirlingshire there were 2 Blackadder stones when they carried out their survey (late sixties/early seventies)
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1787 J.M. J.C. (Male Blackadder & wife J.C.)
James Blackadder & wife Janet Rea
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William Harvey (son of George Harvey who died 1835 & Elizabeth Jeffrey who died 1811) & wife Euphemia Blackadder died 19th May 1917
There is a note in the book beside No. 2, above, saying that Sir George Harvey, son of George Harvey & Elizabeth Jeffrey) was the President of the Royal Scottish Academy, so presumably a brother of William.
Anne
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