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gardiner family
« on: Sunday 30 December 07 13:35 GMT (UK) »

Please can anyone help with tracing a James Gardiner, known to live in Oxford latter part of his life.  I have a marriage certificate for him and Ellen Heather for April 3rd 1893 but I have been unable to find a birth for him.  His age is given at 22 yrs on the marriage certificate and they were married in Guildford. Many thanks. Pete
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Re: gardiner family
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 30 December 07 13:43 GMT (UK) »

So you have a marriage certificate. There is other information on there which we could use to help.
Do you have any cenusus?

May we have it all, rather than searching using only part of the information?

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Re: gardiner family
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 30 December 07 13:59 GMT (UK) »

Hi both  Smiley

Is this him?

1901
RG13/1378 140 33
Littlemore, Oxfordshire
Oxford Rd

Ann Gardiner, head, wid, 59, b. Littlemore
James, son, mar, 29, General Labourer, b. Berks Chosley
Ellen, dau in law, mar, 27, b. Surrey Cobham
Ethel, granddau, 6, scholar, b. Littlemore

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Re: gardiner family
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 30 December 07 14:02 GMT (UK) »

from there ... 1881:
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RG11/1500 78 17

Was his father Edward?  Smiley
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Re: gardiner family
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 30 December 07 15:49 GMT (UK) »

Hi Pauline, thanks for replying so quickly.  His father is listed as Edward on the marriage certificate. The census of 1901 could also be him as he was 22 yrs old when he married in 1893.  The following is from the marriage certificate:
He was a bachelor when they married residing in Aldershot.   Father Edward Gardiner who was deceased.  Wife is Ellen Heather aged 21yrs a spinster residing in Stoke I think.  Her father Thomas Heather (I have his birth certificate) who was also deceased.  They were married in the Parish Church of Guildford in Surrey.  Not sure if there is any further information you need to help me, but if so,  please let me know.   The only census I have is 1881.  Thanks   Pete
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Re: gardiner family
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 30 December 07 16:19 GMT (UK) »

I'm quite confident the 1901 is correct - seems to all fit in, doesn't it? Ellen Heather was born ca. 1873 at Cobham according to previous census.

This looks like James' mum Ann in 1891:

1891
RG12/1163 130 7
Littlemore, Oxfordshire
Oxford Rd

Ann Gardiner, head, wid, 49, Laundress, b. Littlemore
William, son, 29, Ag lab, b. Oxon Cowley
Edward, son, 15, Ag lab, b. Littlemore
Mary Green, mother, wid, 75, b. Oxford Sandford on (something)

(I can't ID James in 1891)
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Re: gardiner family
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 30 December 07 16:22 GMT (UK) »

1871
RG10/1272 69 52
Cholsey, Berkshire

Edward Gardiner, head, 40, Ag lab, b. Oxon Littlemore
Ann, wife, 30, b. do.
William, son, 8, scholar, b. Berkshire Cholsey
George, son, 5, scholar, b. do.
James, son, 1, b. do.
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Re: gardiner family
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 30 December 07 16:32 GMT (UK) »

Possible marriage

March quarter 1861
Edward Gardiner to possibly Ann Sophia Green
Abingdon (which covered Littlemore) 2c 375
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Re: gardiner family
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 30 December 07 16:34 GMT (UK) »

From an OFHS CD:

Cholsey - born 16 June, baptised 1 Aug 1869
James Gardiner, son of Edward (labourer) & Ann.

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Re: gardiner family
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 30 December 07 16:36 GMT (UK) »


marriage from Littlemore Feb 9th 1861

Edward Gardiner aged 30 bach otp lab s/o William lab
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Anne Sophia Green (x) aged 20 sp otp d/o Thomas Lab
by banns witnesses Gabriel Phipps and Hariett Elizabeth Houslow

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Re: gardiner family
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 30 December 07 16:39 GMT (UK) »

James & Ellen seem to have stayed in Littlemore for some time,  there are baptisms for children to James & Ellen - the last 2 state Mount Pleasant as their address

1902 James Edward
1906 Frances Olive
1908 Thomas (buried 1910)
1910 John Herbert

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Re: gardiner family
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 30 December 07 18:03 GMT (UK) »

Ann (Sophia) Green in 1851:
HO107/1727 293 13
Iffley, Oxfordshire
Village of Littlemore
Cowley Rd

Thomas Green, head, 38, Ag lab, b. Offley
Mary Green, wife, 30, Ag lab, b. Oxon Sandford
Richard Joice?, son, 13, Ag lab, b. Iffley
Henry Green, son, 11, scholar, b. Littlemore
Ann Green, dau, 10, scholar, b. do.
Jonathan, son, 6, scholar, b. Iffley
Eliza, dau, 11 mo, b. do.

(next door: a Thomas Joice age 38 b. Oxon Sandford)
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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 30 December 07 18:14 GMT (UK) »

  The following is from the marriage certificate:
He was a bachelor when they married residing in Aldershot.   Father Edward Gardiner who was deceased.  Wife is Ellen Heather aged 21yrs a spinster residing in Stoke I think.  Her father Thomas Heather (I have his birth certificate) who was also deceased.  They were married in the Parish Church of Guildford in Surrey.  Not sure if there is any further information you need to help me, but if so,  please let me know.   The only census I have is 1881.  Thanks   Pete

Who witnessed?
What was the groom's occupation?

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Re: gardiner family
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 30 December 07 19:17 GMT (UK) »

The witnesses are Henry George Briant and Annie Briant.   The occupation appears to say General but is quite difficult to read.  From census could be general labourer?  Thank you
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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 30 December 07 19:52 GMT (UK) »

Have you seen the other replies at all, Pete?  Huh Huh
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