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Do they register stillborn births>>>
« on: Monday 31 December 07 08:23 GMT (UK) »

that's about it really.

I know of at least two births (my grandfather's brothers) who were stillborn, named, and buried in the family plot.

They're quite common names, so I've no intention of searching the records if there's no likliehood that the birth/death was registered.

The burial records are virtually unobtainable (parish priest is hardly ever in residence), but I know they would have been born at some point during the 1930's.

I suspect someone must have come across this at some point - any ideas?
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Re: Do they register stillborn births>>>
« Reply #1 on: Monday 31 December 07 08:35 GMT (UK) »

Very hard to answer your question without knowing what country the events took place.
If stillbirths did not come under civil registration it's possible that the burying ground might have kept a record of interment.
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Re: Do they register stillborn births>>>
« Reply #2 on: Monday 31 December 07 08:37 GMT (UK) »

Sorry - South Wales (Glamorganshire to be exact).
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Re: Do they register stillborn births>>>
« Reply #3 on: Monday 31 December 07 09:08 GMT (UK) »

Stillbirths were not made registrable until the Births and Deaths Act 1926,

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Re: Do they register stillborn births>>>
« Reply #4 on: Monday 31 December 07 09:10 GMT (UK) »

hmm - I may be lucky then. Gramps was 1930 something, and the two boys were born after him - many thanks for that
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Re: Do they register stillborn births>>>
« Reply #5 on: Monday 31 December 07 10:47 GMT (UK) »

The Burial of still born children was covered in the 1874 Registration Act, but of course there was no Death registration as they had not lived.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/acts/1874Act.htm

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Re: Do they register stillborn births>>>
« Reply #6 on: Monday 31 December 07 10:49 GMT (UK) »

It's a bit of an odd done - I had some burial printouts for one part of the family (not the one with the stillborns), and I was thinking - would the borths and/or deaths be registered?

I know that the clhildren had names, but wasn't sure if that was just what the mother named them unnofficially, or if this is what would be recorded.

Got plenty of infant deaths, but only know of two stillborns

Thanks for all the help though - will just have to try and push for the burial records after New Year
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Re: Do they register stillborn births>>>
« Reply #7 on: Monday 31 December 07 12:56 GMT (UK) »

Stillbirths have registered in England and Wales following the 1926 Act, but neither the indexes nor the entries themselves are available to the general public. the only people who can have access to registrations of stilbirths are parents or siblings of the stillborn child.

So if the childen were stillborn the only record you will have any chance of finding is a burial. If one or both of them lived for evena few minutes, then there should be both a birth and a corresponding death registration for that child. The operative word of course is 'should'! Not everyone understands and/or follows the rules, and a child might be referred to within the family as stillborn when technically there was a birth and a death - from the point of view of their loss why should they care about the small print after all? I doubt if I would.

If you are trying to identify possible candidates in the birth and death indexes for the poor little mites, the birth entries (if there are any) will have the mother's maiden surname against them in the index. Even if both surnames are common the search is feasible, if tedious, especially since you know the area. If you find any that look as though they belong to the family, check for corresponding deaths aged 0 in the same quarter and district.

Simple, eh?

Good luck with it anyway

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Re: Do they register stillborn births>>>
« Reply #8 on: Monday 31 December 07 12:58 GMT (UK) »

Suddenly it gets slightly more complicated!

I think the burial records will have to be the first port of call then (if the vicar ever turns up at the church!).

Thanks again - hope I don't come across too much of this
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Re: Do they register stillborn births>>>
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 19 March 08 21:19 GMT (UK) »

hi my sister was still born I was told my mum did not know where she was buried on starting my tree ( I am registered by the way in Staincross ) I decided to look further and found her logged in the burial register, she was in a communal grave with other baby's
I then contacted gro giving them birth and burial dates and you are right you can get a cert that is called an anniversary  cert but both parent's must be dead, and then you can obtain one if as in my case you are a sibling
hope I have not rambled and this helps
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Re: Do they register stillborn births>>>
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 20 March 08 08:27 GMT (UK) »

Just an update (since this has been resurrected).

Looks like the info I had was incorrect - one of the babies was 6 months old when they died (have the full burial records and located references in the registers now), but it looks like someone got confused over the second child as everyone is now saying that they have no idea what I'm talking about - I'm glad I make recordings and take detailed notes so I know I'm not going mad  Cheesy
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