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Topic: Samuel HOLMAN b.1869 Kea went to America but which one is him? (Read 243 times)
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toni*
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Hi Guys, i need your help once again re my Cornish Holmans
Hopefully i am posing on the right board, not entirely sure assume it Will be moved if not 
I have Samuel Holman b. 1869 Kea he appears in 1871 with his mother his father is in California, and again in 1881 with his siblings working as a miner by 1891 he has disappeared knowing that alot of my Holman miners went to the US i searched the immigration records for him and the subsequent 1900 US census i have found two possible matches can any one help me decided which one is him?
1) Samuel Holman sailed aboard the Arizona and arrived in New York 20 June 1887, the passenger list shows him as age 20 and a miner b. Cornwall, listed nest to him is Robert Holman 23 miner b. Cornwall ( i have no Robert Holmans in my tree)
In 1900 this Samuel is in Silver Bow Montana a copper miner boarding with a Constantine family he is listed as b. Feb 1870 and shows him emigrated 1886
2) Samuel Holman sailed aboard the chip, City of New York arriving 14 April 1892 in New York, the passenger list just shows Samuel Holman b. England, and shows his intended destination of Colorado, but the age is correct this time , age 23.
It seems that this Samuel did not reach Colorado but married an Eliza from Ireland and set up home in Buffalo Ward 22 Erie New York, in 1900 they have one child Elizabeth or Edith Mary (no clue there re his mothers name) his occupation (to me) is unreadable, he is listed as being b. Feb 1869 and emigrating 1895 - (is this the emigrating date or the citizenship date? )
any ideas ?
Thanks Toni
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Spinal Muscular Atrophy (SMA) is a neuromuscular condition causing weakness of the muscles. SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 years 1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on There is no current treatment JTSMA.ORG.UK http://www.justgiving.com/toniholmanTomorrow is too late Holman - Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj - Ukraine, Bentley - Leicester, Taylor - Kent/Sussex, Punnett - Sussex, Richards - Leicester, Vinton - Cornwall, Beer - Devon |
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tazzie
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Not an idea but maybe one you have missed...
Saml Holman age 24 Ship New York (again)
Arrival July 8 1893 from Southampton
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toni*
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oh not another one, yes i did miss him the other two sailed from Liverpool via Ireland,
I thought the first was him as occupation p.o.b was correct but his age was out, thought that maybe he lied about it or was just a year out from his actual birth so that could have crossed like the census, (was slightly confused over who Robert Holmans was, still am!) then i found the second one with the correct age but not the correct occupation.
To be honest i wondered why he didn't sail from somewhere like Plymouth, (did they not go to the US from Plymouth) other relations who went to US (that i found) sailed from Southampton.
i shall have to follow this one up on the 1900 US census to see if his details could match my Samuel
Thanks for pointing him out.
Happy new year
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Spinal Muscular Atrophy (SMA) is a neuromuscular condition causing weakness of the muscles. SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 years 1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on There is no current treatment JTSMA.ORG.UK http://www.justgiving.com/toniholmanTomorrow is too late Holman - Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj - Ukraine, Bentley - Leicester, Taylor - Kent/Sussex, Punnett - Sussex, Richards - Leicester, Vinton - Cornwall, Beer - Devon |
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Hi Toni,
Hope you have better luck than me. I am not having any luck with a third Samuel in the US. Now Samuel No 2 in NY - by 1910 he lists as Samuel T HOLMAN, aged 40, immigrated 1893. Occ Cane Maker - Foundry. His wife is Elizabeth b England (One Child Charles 2) Now 1920 still Samuel T, aged 50 immigrated 1897, his wife is Eliza from Ireland again son Charles 12. He now lists as a musician - Band. When I look at 1900 I think occ may be musician..... (certainly appears to start mus) 1930 Samuel T is 62, age at first marriage 21 (Eliza was 29  ) immigrated 1893, occ musician. Eliza 60 (Ireland) Charles S 22 Watchman. Listed as HOMAN.............Kris 
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Toni,
That 1893 immigration I note Samuel is listed under whether citizen of US as a (resident) Protracted Sojourner (term for someone intending to immigrate) Since he is listed as a resident perhaps (since he can't be found in 1891) this was not his first trip.
Kris
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Ok ...how about this one .....
Samuel Holman arrival date 19 Oct 1911 b @1870 age 41
depature Queenstown
arrival New York
ship St Paul
place of birth English Cornwall Reruth
occ miner
final destination Butte
travelling with
Sydney Holman son age 18
Earl ?James Holman boy age 4
must be in there somewhere as a rellie
Tazzie
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HI, my home pc broke so i was on here from work on Thursday, i got my home pc back last night and have been trying to catch up.
will make a note of that last one Tazzie, we did have a Sydney Bryant inthe family he was son of a Holman girl so the naming trait would go on.
Samuel doesn't appear in 1891 here i.e. England / Wales and the immigration that Tazzie found arrives in the US in 1893, (where all the details match) how long would the journey take? would this explain his absence fromt he US & England census?
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Spinal Muscular Atrophy (SMA) is a neuromuscular condition causing weakness of the muscles. SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 years 1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on There is no current treatment JTSMA.ORG.UK http://www.justgiving.com/toniholmanTomorrow is too late Holman - Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj - Ukraine, Bentley - Leicester, Taylor - Kent/Sussex, Punnett - Sussex, Richards - Leicester, Vinton - Cornwall, Beer - Devon |
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Hi Toni....... you must of missed him....
RG12/1832 F 33 P5
Grace Holman hd wid 44 b Kea
Samuel Holman son s 22 tin miner Kea
William J Holman son s 18 tin miner Kea
Living Kea ( part of )
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Know what you mean......I did mine months ago thanks to help from a rellie who has gone back to the 1700's .......prob being he got the wrong "wife " @1870 and I have started again...this time I have the certs once next batch arrives I will have to tell him some of his info is wrong.
Probably good there will be a distance between us
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i have Grace and William i noted sister Elizabeth was missing 
