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Angela Drake
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Im wondering if anyone here can help me. I have been unable for years now to get past this stumbling block in my family tree. My grandmother was born July 20 1919 in virden manitoba. She was adopted when she was a baby, we were told her mother had died while giving birth to her. When researching the family tree, finding her, and ordering her death record, i found that she did not die in childbirth with my grandmother. She died 4 long months later from a massive infection from the childbirth. I cant imagine what she went through trying to get healthy to raise her daughter. I found the family of my grandmothers birth father, and they sent me a picture of my great grandmothers headstone. this is where it gets mysterious. Her headstone says she is buried with an infant daphnee...but i was always told that was my grandmothers birthname. was my grandmother a twin? if so how do i find out? I know nothing about my great grandmother, so I come to all of you, who have been able to help me before. I need to find out who she was. I am a birthmother myself, and so I feel her inside my heart strongly, knowing the sacrifice she made. this is what i have on her, its not much, and I cant read the place of birth in england, it looks like it could be dorset, or d___cot? she was born dec 20 1888,died sept 19 1919 in virden manitoba. She married my great grandfather peter draper, and i was told by his decendants that they had another child, a boy who died at or shortly after birth. they estimate his birth to be 1916 or 17. Peter was born 1887 in basingstoke. Beatrice's death record says that her fathers name was william trotman born england. Beatrice is listed as protestant, and she had been in the country 6yrs at the time of her death. I want to find out if my grandmother was a twin, and about the life of this remarkable woman. can anyone help me? Her full name was beatrice minnie trotman. I assumed this was her maiden name because of her father listed as a trotman. I have not been able to find her on any census records because i really dont know where to look in england.
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Surname interests Drake-Kent,dover
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Radomske-Poland,russia,ukraine
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Newf
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I wondered if it could be DIDCOT, Berkshire - and sure enough, this would seem to confirm it
Births Mar 1888 TROTMAN Beatrice Minnie Wallingford Vol 2c Page 315
Wallingord Regn District (Berks / Oxon borders) covers Didcot .....
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Newf
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Hmmmm - that birth should be this lass - East Hagbourne in the same Ditrict as Didcot, but the Father is not William 
Actually this couple are a bit old for parents - maybe they are Grandparents ?
The Birth Cert will clarify if you purchase it ....
1891 - RG12/985; Folio 69; Page 6 - East Hagbourne, Berks ...
'New Town'
Andrew Trotman 57 Head Railway Signalman Glos, Byford ?? Stonehouse
Lucy Trotman 55 Wife born Herts, East Barnet
Beatrice M Trotman 3 Dau East Hagbourne
NB There are other Beatrice Trotman around, but this one seemed a good match - Didcot etc ..... and also where she married ...
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Marriage ...
Beatrice M Trotman to Peter Draper
1914 - 1st Quarter
Regn District - Bradfield
Volume - 2c
Page - 613
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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suzard
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Was Beatrice minnie trotman definately born Dec 20 1888 - if so the birth reg mar qtr 1888 can't be her??
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Just found the 1901 too Tati !
Suzard - too much of a coincidence .....
esp given that in 1901 she's in Mortimer / Tilehurst area near Reading - same District she marries in .....
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Hi Newfster -I know it's too much of a coincidence -but just thought it worth double checking -especially with the Father William (and Andrew found)
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always worth checking I agree - I have had no luck - any ideas ?
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Tati, I was digressed by another Beatr* Min 1901 , and a large furry donkey under my desk demanding its dinner 
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As we all know from results in this business, there can be many incorrect facts passed on ....
maybe Dec 20th is correct, but could have been 1887, and not registered until the new Year ..... when she died, B was in a 'foreign' country - maybe the next of kin didnt know her fathers name for sure ?
The Marriage Index entry seems correct tho in that it matches the Draper info - so perhaps purchasing that would be a better bet than the Birth Cert to verify Father's name ?
JMHO 
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Angela Drake
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I was just thinking too, might not be anything, but ive had a reoccurring dream all my life with me saying the birth records are wrong, its not the right date! i wonder if it was my great grandmother trying to help me find her....that is if you believe in that stuff, which i do. hmmm. so how do i go about ordering this from england? im in canada. and is there any record of any children being born to peter and beatrice, i was told the boys name was peter jr. I always thought it odd that she was 31 when she died (the same age as me now) and haddent had any other children.
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Hi Angela, you can order - using the key info of name, Year and 'quarter', District, Vol and Page number from an online GRO service - using a credit card.
Its a 'fill in the boxes' application, but shout if you have a problem.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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