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Re: Edward PARFREY born about 1832
« Reply #15 on: Monday 03 March 08 14:01 GMT (UK) »

Steve has asked that this post be moved back to the Suffolk board.  To summarize in case anyone can help.

Edward was b c 1832 according to some censuses in Livermere, Suffolk. He married  Ellen Mary WARD on 7th November 1852 at the Wesleyan Chapel in Wisbech. His father is listed as William Parfrey ( deceased ). Profession of Father listed as Labourer. Residence at time of marriage - Walpole St Peter, Norfolk.

Suffolk Sue has found this baptism at Little Livermere (Livermere Parva)

Edward PALFREY  illegitimate son of Sarah PALFREY, born 3rd June, 1829 and baptized 16th July, 1829 at Little Livermere.

Of course it is possible that this is David's Edward, as father's were often "invented" to save face with the in laws, and the fact that he is described as deceased on the marriage record is certainly convenient if this was indeed the case.

If anyone has any further thoughts or opinions or can find Edward on the 1841/51 censuses, I am sure that David would be very grateful.

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Re: Edward PARFREY born about 1832
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 09 March 08 20:18 GMT (UK) »

Just wondering if anyone has access to the 1841 Census and would be prepared to do a Look Up for Sarah Palfrey please. Smiley Smiley Smiley

If Sarah Palfrey gave birth to an Illegitimate son ( Edward ) would he have lived at home with his Mother or would he have been sent to a workhouse?

Any help and advice most welcome Grin

Many thanks Steve
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Re: Edward PARFREY born about 1832
« Reply #17 on: Monday 10 March 08 08:12 GMT (UK) »

This is interesting.

From the Suffolk Marriage Index

William Hailstone
Sarah Palfrey

22nd March, 1831 = Lt. Livermere


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1841

HO107/1036/14 - Pakenham
Folio 3, Page 2
Mill Hill


HAILSTONE
William - 30 - ag lab
Sarah - 30
EDWARD - 12
John - 10
William - 3
Charles - 10 months


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Could this be your Edward?  Cheesy


In 1851, the family are still in Pakenham, minus Edward, but with more children. William was born Pakenham and Sarah was  born Livermere. Can't seem to find Edward in 1851 under the name of Hailstone or Palfrey or similar. Cry Cry
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Re: Edward PARFREY born about 1832
« Reply #18 on: Monday 10 March 08 18:59 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for that suffolk*sue Grin Grin Grin Grin

You`ve certainly made the debate even more interesting Smiley Everything ties up nicely Grin Grin Grin Grin

The only "Spanner in the works" is the mention on Edwards marriage certificate of fathers name and surname which is listed as William Parfrey (deceased) or would this have been done to "Keep face" Undecided Undecided Undecided

Really appreciate your keen interest and help. Grin Grin Grin

Many thanks Steve
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Re: Edward PARFREY born about 1832
« Reply #19 on: Monday 10 March 08 19:31 GMT (UK) »

It could have been done to save face. I am sure many an illegitemate person invented a parent for the purposes of respectability.  On the other hand maybe William Palfrey was his grandfathers name. It would be interesting to see who Sarahs parents are. Cheesy
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Re: Edward PARFREY born about 1832
« Reply #20 on: Monday 10 March 08 19:43 GMT (UK) »

Because I don`t know who Edward Parfrey`s "Real" father was I obviously don`t know who his grandfather was Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad which makes my search equally frustrating Sad Sad Sad

Is there anyway to find out who Sarah`s parents were Undecided Undecided Undecided Undecided

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Re: Edward PARFREY born about 1832
« Reply #21 on: Monday 10 March 08 19:54 GMT (UK) »

Livermere doesn't appear to be on the IGI, so unless someone is going to Suffolk Record Office and could look for you.
Not sure when I am going again. Cry Cry


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Re: Edward PARFREY born about 1832
« Reply #22 on: Monday 10 March 08 20:30 GMT (UK) »

Thanks suffolk*sue you`ve been brilliant Grin Grin Grin Grin

I`ve got a trip to Norfolk and Cambs Record Offices to visit first but at least now know what direction my search should take next Grin Grin

Thanks very much Steve
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Re: Edward PARFREY born about 1832
« Reply #23 on: Monday 10 March 08 22:33 GMT (UK) »

Just found a mention of a birth and christening on Family Search website for Sarah Palfry

Birth             19th May 1809
Christening    21st May 1809  Livermere. Suffolk.


Parents listed as Edward Palfry and Sarah Baldwin

Could this be Edwards mother?Huh?

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Re: Edward PARFREY born about 1832
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 19 March 08 13:26 GMT (UK) »

Hi Steve,

Just stumbled upon this post - as someone already suggested your Edward Parfrey might have been a Palfrey.  If so, there was an Edward Palfrey baptised in 1825 in Little Livermere - he was the son of William Palfrey (which would tie in with the marriage certificate information) and Sarah (nee Cocksedge).  I know the birthdate is off by seven years, but it's worth bearing in mind Smiley

I'm actually descended from this Palfrey family; William and Sarah's third child was my 3x great-grandfather George, and he had a son (also confusingly named Edward) who was the father of my great-grandmother Helen.  All were born in Little Livermere, so if you ever find that you're definitely related to the Palfreys of this area, please drop me a line Smiley

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Re: Edward PARFREY born about 1832
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 19 March 08 20:22 GMT (UK) »

Hi Becky,

Many thanks for taking the time to reply and all the details enclosed Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley

Done a little research and could only find 1 Edward Palfrey ( about 1825 ) in 1861 and he was married to Louisa and had son Edward. H. Palfrey.
Whereas "My" Edward Parfrey in 1861 ( about 1832 ) had already married Ellen Mary and was living in Walpole St Peter with their four children.

I had to use 1861 as this was the first and nearest comparison I could make Smiley

If this is correct then unfortunately the search goes on Shocked It would have been great if "Your" Edward and mine were one and the same,we could have exchanged details and stories Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley

I`ll carry on researching and get back to you if I have any success.

Many thanks again Becky for your response to my post and the details provided.

Steve
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