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Topic: Ratcliffe or ratcliff in Hampton Wick, Kingston On Thames, Dorking (Read 390 times)
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T.R.
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Jane
Thank you for the offer to help.
I just went to preview my reply and somehow lost the entire message so I Need to start again.
I really need to confirm a family between Kingston On Thames and Dorking. I am not confident about moving forward until I can do this and I have been stuck here for some years.
I have found the family at Kingston On Thames with baptisms 1791 - 1808. The father is William Ratcliffe and the mother is Mary (nee Marshall source marriage allegation.
The allegation does not give the brithplace of either. The IGI gives a William Ratcliffe Born about 1772. There is also William Ratcliff baptised at Dorking 1.4.1774 and a Mary Marshall baptised at Dorking on 2.2.1769. This would make Mary 5 years older than William, but it would fit.
There are a couple of circumstances which makes Dorking a possibility:
1. A Henry was born at Kingston on Thames on 17.11.1771 and his parents were Peter Ratcliff and Mary. He is the only child of this couple appearing there. However the age is right and in addition to a son William, Peter and Mary also had two deceased children at Dorking one named Peter and the other named Henry both died in 1773.
2. The father of William of Dorking was named Peter Ratcliff and a Peter Ratcliff married a Mary Rose at Saint Olave Southwark on 19.6.1768. Two generations later, William Ratcliffe of Kingston on Thames names a daughter Mary Rose. Perhaps she was named after her grandmother Mary Rose.
The wife of William of Kingston On Thames was buried at Hampton in 1811. The register does not give her birthplace and her husband is only described as a 'newcomer'. William does not appear in the BMD register after 1837 and the registers for Hampton and Teddington 1811- 1837 yielded nothing. Perhaps the Kingston On Thames contain a reference to his death?
I am awaiting the arrival of a copy of an administration for the estate of an earlier Peter Ratcliff of Dorking (died 1729) but I am not really hopeful that it will refer to a later a generational shift from Dorking to Kingston On Thames.
So this is where I have been stuck.  I really need to confirm whether there is any connection to Dorking or otherwise.
If you can point me in the right direction it will be most helpful. If not, thank you for reading this far and thank you for the offer to help.
I am just going to post the message this time and and not going to risk a review of the.
My regards
t.r.
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Ratcliffe or Ratcliff (Kingston On Thames, Hampton Wick, Teddington, Dorking), Marshall (Hampton), Cromwell (Kingston On Thames, Hampton Wick)
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T.R.
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Jane
I received the administration document number form a contact who was searching in Surrey. She thought we were searching the same line but we weren't. I asked where she obtained the document number but she didn't reply. However, I still have her email address so I will contact her again.
Aren't these gaps frustrating. I seem to fall into a gap whichever way I go. records not filmed, documents missing ....
Following your advice, I am waiting on a reply from Dorking re the whereabouts of relocation records.
The burial records for Dorking that you checked are these Parish registers or cemetery records? Thank you for checking for me.
Regards
t.r.
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Ratcliffe or Ratcliff (Kingston On Thames, Hampton Wick, Teddington, Dorking), Marshall (Hampton), Cromwell (Kingston On Thames, Hampton Wick)
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meles
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t.r.
Are there any tangible links between the Ratcliffes of Hampton and Kingston (which are very close to each other) and of those and the Ratcillfes of Dorking (which is some way away)? And those of Southwark, also a fair way away?
The name is not uncommon, and I fear there is you might be assuming a link where there is not one.
Sorry about that.
meles
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Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk Harrison: London; Pollock Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk Rogers: London; Bartlett: London Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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meles
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It's worth holding on the the info.
I collected data from people with the same surname in villages 1 mile apart, but could not connect the families. 2 years later, I have finally made the link!
Good luck!
meles
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Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk Harrison: London; Pollock Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk Rogers: London; Bartlett: London Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Jane Masri
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T.R, Yes, there are gaps in the actual burial records for Dorking. I checked on my fiche copy of the transcript. This is also reflected in the burials for Dorking on the Surrey Burial Index on CD. Obviously somewhere, somehow either the records for burials between 1726-1732 in Dorking were never recorded, or if they were, the register has been destroyed or lost. The incumbent of each parish was obliged to send copies of baptisms, marriages & burials to the Bishop of the diocese. If this was done & if they survive they might show the burial you're after. They are called Bishops Transcripts or B.T's for short & they would be at the Surrey History Centre at Woking.
As far as the 1841 census information is concerned, don't forget that ages were rounded down so Henry could have been anywhere between 70 & 74 or a birth date between 1767-1771, that's if his given age was correct  His presence there is just evidence that Ratcliffe's were in the Kingston area.
I think it's safe to say that William from Dorking wasn't buried there so he obviously moved away.
Apart from Henry buried 1773 & the two Peters there is only one other Ratcliffe buried in Dorking & that's Ann 6/12/1718 so I'm definately getting the impression this family didn't stay long in one place.
jane
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it's mostly up north.
Kingston certainly appears on the Surrey Burial Index so maybe there's an overlap here?