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CAROLYNDERRY
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Hi is anyone researching the Cornwells from Bottisham. There seems to be an awful lot of them and not all seem to be related although i'm sure they probably if i can get back far enough.
i have been on various sites but am unable to get some specific dates.
does anyone have any info on george cornwell who married mary morley
george was born in 1852 and mary c1855
they had 16 children of whom i have all their names but no dates of birth except my direct relative arthur fred who i have all his details.
mary and george were married in march 1875
i also have details of georges parents and sibling but again no specific dates
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ricky1
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Hi
Have you tried these websites for Cambridgshire
http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/community/bmd/camdex
http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html
Or you could ask on here for what you are looking for, with some names and dates
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ricky 
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CAROLYNDERRY
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thanks
have tried both of these sites
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Harry Cornwell
Surname: CORNWELL
Forename: Harry
Year of Birth: 1884
Reference: 331/BOT/11/401
have you got that one
ricky
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CAROLYNDERRY
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hi ricky
i do have harrys name but didn't have a definite birth date, do you have anything else regarding harry? is he part of your family tree??
thanks for the info
carolyn
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wdurham
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Carolyn -
If it's definite birth dates you want, then you have two choices. Either use the Camdex database, which is based on local records, as Ricky has suggested and has already given you the link for.
OR use FreeBMD to hook up the 16 children from the census returns to the registration quarters.
Using the 1881 - 1901 census returns provides names for all the children and gives them approximate birth years.
Now just look them up on Camdex or on FreeBMD. Camdex will give you a year, FreeBMD gives the quarter.
To get exact birth dates, you will need to buy their birth certs, either from Camdex or via the GRO certificate ordering service at http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Not cheap! However, if you can be satisfied with a probable quarter of birth rather than an exact date, the FreeBMD data is good enough unless there is possibility of confusion - in which case you DO need the cert to sort out which one is "yours".
For instance, here are the three eldest children:
Births Sep 1875: CORNWELL George William Newmarket 3b 544
Births Mar 1877: Cornwell David Newmarket 3b 571
Births Jun 1878: Cornwell Alice Mary Newmarket 3b 579
There are no duplicate names, so the above are almost certainly the children you are seeking.
Between 1801-1837, the other site Ricky gave you will provide baptisms from the Cambs FHS database. There are 27 baptisms for Cornwells in Bottisham, and 67 in total for all variants of the name.
From the census returns, it looks as if George Cornwell b about 1853 who married Mary Ann Morley was the son of Isaac Cornwell b about 1817 and Rebecca.
Here's a likely marriage for Isaac and Rebecca from FreeBMD:
Marriages Jun 1839
CORNWELL Isaac Chesterton 14 69
PAPWORTH Rebekah Chesterton 14 69
The Cambs FSH baptism index will show you that Isaac was baptised in 1819 in Little Wilbraham (just a couple of miles from Bottisham) and was the son of James Cornell and Sarah of Little Wilbraham. There was another Isaac baptised in 1814, but searching the Cambs FHS burial database will show you that he died the same year.
With a name like Cornwell, you have to be alive to all manner of variations in the spelling of the name.
There are masses of online records - Cambs is covered better than many counties because of the Cambs FHS indexes of baptisms and burials 1801-1837, and the Camdex index to the LOCAL registers, although this is not yet complete. The Cambs marriage index is also not yet complete, and doesn't tie up brides and grooms, but is still a useful resource available for a small sum on CD from Cambs FHS.
But the trick is to be able to link up all the different resources to build your story. As I have suggested above, get the children from the census, find their birth registrations. The certificates will give you the names of their parents if you want confirmation of the census data. Then find the marriage certificate for the parents which will take you back another generation by providing father's names for bride and groom. And so on - untill you get back beyond 1837, or in the case of Cambs for baptisms/burials, 1801. Then you need parish records. If your village is covered, get the CD of the PRs from the FHS. My forbears are Isleham folk for generations - the CD of the Isleham parish records was a godsend.
No-one's going to have all the data on your family to hand to you on a plate - it actually does take quite a lot of work! And a bit of money too - I find a UK sub to Ancestry absolutely essential, and have invested vast amounts in GRO certificates. Luckily, FreeBMD is totally free, as it says, and FreeREG is slowly providing a similar service for parish records. The IGI database at www.familysearch.com is free to use and is a wonderful source of information, although member contributed entries need taking with a large amount of salt.
If you just want to link up with other members of your family and share their data rather than doing the nitty gritty yourself, why not try Genes Reunited? A quick search shows an Isaac and a George of the correct ages in other people's trees. Might be worth a try?
Personally I prefer to do my own digging about and make my own links. Genes Reunited can often be the lowest common denominator, with many people making all the same errors....
Good hunting....
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Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
Davies/Davis in Islington & Hackney
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hi ricky
i do have harrys name but didn't have a definite birth date, do you have anything else regarding harry? is he part of your family tree??
thanks for the info
carolyn
Hi Carolyn
No connection to my family for any of the Cornwell's, just trying to help you out. I think wdurham, has found quite a few for you, some could be reg under Newmarket, as Bottisham is inbetween Cambridge and Newmarket
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ricky
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CAROLYNDERRY
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hi ricky
thats great, thanks for taking the time out to help me out. it is appreciated.
i have actually taken quite a lot of time trying to figure family links through camdex, free bmd and freecen. when i startedthere was very little included on the free sites for cambs. maybe what i should be doing is re starting now there is more info available.
many thanks again
carolyn
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Hi Carolyn
Your welcome, I used to go to the Cambridge archives, but dont get in there very often now, but wish you luck with your research.
regards
ricky
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Carolyn -
A correction to my guess at parents for Isaac Cornwell - James & Sarah Cornell of Little Wilbraham DID baptise an Isaac in 1819, but he is with them in 1841 and 1851 in Little Wilbraham.
Whereas "your" Isaac and Rebecca are in Bottisham for both censuses, with their children.
So the two cannot be the same man, although the son of James & Sarah is the only Cornell/Cornwell visible in the Cambs Baptism Index.
Sorry about that!
Wendy
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Willson & Pell in Faversham, Egerton, Folkestone in Kent
Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
Davies/Davis in Islington & Hackney
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CAROLYNDERRY
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no probs, i also thought that that was the same isaac until i delved into census records as it is only isaac listed. will have to keep going onthat one.
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carolyn
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wdurham
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Hi, Carolyn
The IGI has Bottisham well covered and no sign of an Isaac around 1817. He's not in the Cambs FHS baptism index either.
Though I note that Isaac and Rebecca baptised nearly all of their children on the same day - 6 May 1855. Maybe the family were just careless about baptisms? I have a similar situation with my Armstrongs in Ravensden - children baptised in large batches, and if one was away or busy elsewhere on the day, he/she just didn't get "done".
Alternatively, perhaps Isaac was not his first name, or the name with which he was baptised?
You may have to send for the 1839 marriage certificate to find out who Isaac's father was.
Wendy
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Willson & Pell in Faversham, Egerton, Folkestone in Kent
Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
Davies/Davis in Islington & Hackney
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CAROLYNDERRY
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thanks for that
i will have to send for it i think as i am running out of other ideas.
i seem to have a family that appear and disappear at odd times
carolyn
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wdurham
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A lot of that may be the name, Carolyn.
I have Cornhills from Kent, and a friend has Cornhills in Devon and Portsea. We believe the two families are linked, although no proof found as yet. However we have found family members under every conceivable variant of the name - often children of the same parents have different spellings of the name. I have a family with four sons born in Oare to William and Elizabeth Cornhill, and the sons all have a different variant spelling. In Devon, one family has its earlier children correctly labelled, but the rest are Cornwalls. Anything from Cornel to Cornwill to Cornwall and so on....
Intriguingly, one of the several circumstantial reasons why we believe the Devon and Kent Cornhills are linked is the sudden cropping up in the early/mid 1800s of the name Lewis/Louis. When you check there are precious few with that name under any of the surname variants. and your Louis/Lewis Cornwell - son of Isaac and Rebecca - is one of only about 6 or 7.
Pure coincidence? Almost certainly - but still interesting just as a curiosity!
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Willson & Pell in Faversham, Egerton, Folkestone in Kent
Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
Davies/Davis in Islington & Hackney
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Hi Carolyn
I am new to Roots.chat and have just found your listing about the Cornwells of Bottisham.
I too have the name of Cornwell in my family tree and they were living in Bottisham Lode.
My great x 3 grandfather Philip Cornwell was born about 1799 and married Ann Arber. Their children were Emma, Levi, William, Charles, Elijah, Uriah, Zillah and John born between 1826 to 1847. It is through Emma, their eldest daughter, that my family tree grows. She married Richard Rayment, another Bottisham name, and it was their son who moved away from the village and agriculture to live in the North East and work in industry.
I have not pursued the whereabouts of any of Emma's brothers and sisters but who knows, there may be a connection ............
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Rayment Williams Watson Brellisford Brown Calvert Timmins Beckley Davies Cornwell
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