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15 Eaton Place
« on: Saturday 05 January 08 17:09 GMT (UK) »
My Great Grandfather was employed as a Butler at 15 Eaton Place (Percy Allard), my Great Grandmother as a Childrens Nurse at 3 Grovenor Street (Elizabeth Witt). They married in Aug 1888. Can anyone assist with a census showing who they may have worked for and with.

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Re: 15 Eaton Place
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 05 January 08 17:24 GMT (UK) »
will have a look when the Census site has finished maint.

How old were they at marriage ? (Of full age I bet   Wink )
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 05 January 08 17:28 GMT (UK) »
1881
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=13518056
RG11/99 10 13

The 1881 census is searchable by address on ancestry.co.uk, Graham  Smiley

Edit: The Buxtons have moved to Grosvenor Gardens by 1891 though
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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 05 January 08 17:39 GMT (UK) »
pity he's not there !  Cheesy
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 05 January 08 17:41 GMT (UK) »
Indeed  Tongue Now you find Eaton Place in 1891  Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 05 January 08 17:43 GMT (UK) »
I see they've gone to Wales by 1901

RG13/2546; Folio: 170; Page: 4 - Chirk, Denbighshire

Percy is a Suffolk lad
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: 15 Eaton Place
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 05 January 08 17:48 GMT (UK) »
I know that they go to Wales and I can trace them forward from there. It's just that on the marriage certificate he is shown as being employed as a butler at 15 Eaton Place and that was 1888, unless its a 16, but I doubt it. And Elizabeth Witt is at 3 Grosvenor Street.  Are either traceable in 1891?
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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 05 January 08 17:49 GMT (UK) »
In case you dont have the info:-
(and you get Georgiannas maiden name ... )

1861 - RG9/1156; Folio: 61; Page: 6 - Henley, Suffolk
William Allard 36  Head Master Tailor Suffolk, Barham
Georgianna Allard 28  Wife Ladies Bootmake do
Florance Allard 4  dau do
Percy Allard 3  son Barham, Suffolk
Gertrude Allard 3 Mo  dau Henley

Leedes Felcher 34  Sister in Law Barham
Sarah Felcher 55  Mother in Law Barham
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 05 January 08 17:51 GMT (UK) »
1891 - RG12/687; Folio 71; Page 19 - Kent, Maidstone (west)
24, Foster Street

Wonder for whom he Butlered ?

Percy A [W] Allard 33  Head Butler Suffolk, Barham
Lizzie Wallard 30  Wife Middx, St James
Bertram P Wallard 2  son Kent, Loose(?)
Harold G Wallard 4/12  son do

Lizzie Jones 21  Visitor Schollmistress Hanover Sq.


The sons' PoBs match with the Welsh 1901 data.

In 1901 they have a dau Dorothy E. - cant work out her PoB tho - should be 1893/4 based on age 7.
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: 15 Eaton Place
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 05 January 08 17:58 GMT (UK) »
Georgina was a Fulcher, I had that sheet. My grandfather was born in Loose, Kent just outside Maidstone at Brook Cottage, then they moved supposedly to Foster Street in Maidstone. Their first daughter Dorothy Evelyn Allard was born at Shipbourne on the 27 February 1894 which amazes me, why there!

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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 05 January 08 18:02 GMT (UK) »
Thats just brilliant info, thanks a lot, much appreciated. Wonder where he worked as a butler if he was living there. He has obviously left the Buxtons and eventually moves on to the Trevors, so it makes sense that whoever it is he would also have been influential.
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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 05 January 08 18:03 GMT (UK) »
Yes, just figured out its Shipbourne, in the Malling RD - but close to Maidstone.

Births Mar 1894  
 
Allard  Dorothy Evelyn     Malling  Vol 2a Page 657

Yes, I expect he had impeccable references - maybe a bit of googling will produce a shortlist of potential employers ?
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 05 January 08 18:04 GMT (UK) »
Took me ages to find 15 Eaton Place in 1891 and it's a complete mess Tongue

15 is occupied by servants only and I don't know which household they belong to  Undecided
RG12/71 99 20
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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 05 January 08 18:08 GMT (UK) »
Is there a Percy Allard Tati? amongst them.
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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 05 January 08 18:09 GMT (UK) »
strange the way those households could be enumerated - seen similar before !

Now, if Graham had mentioned he knew that offspring were born in Kent before 1891  ....    Roll Eyes
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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