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Marriage Walter Bone, Mary Pagan
« on: Sunday 06 January 08 04:19 GMT (UK) »

Looking for this marriage, probably between 1825 and 1830.  A daughter Mary was born Sept 2, 1830 in Eskdalemuir, if I have my information correct.  It is thought that Walter had a previous marriage to Mary Brown and had 2 children from that marriage.  Walter is thought to have emigrated in 1835 to Canada.
I really need some help on this.
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Re: Marriage Walter Bone, Mary Pagan
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 06 January 08 09:07 GMT (UK) »

Hello Peggy,

The IGI (www.familysearch.org) has a Mary Pagan marrying a Walter Bone on:
26 JAN 1827   Kirkpatrick Juxta, Dumfries, Scotland .  The IGI has their daughter Mary born on Sept 03 1830.

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Children born to Walter Bone and Mary Brown (from IGI)

JANET BONE
Birth: 30 AUG 1814 Kirkpatrick Juxta, Dumfries, Scotland
 
 MARION BONE
Christening: 03 JUL 1820 Kirkpatrick Juxta, Dumfries, Scotland 

Cannot find a record of their marriage on the IGI.

If unfamiliar with Scottish research, the govt website (unfortunately pay per view ), but quite a lot of free searching, at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk allows downloads of entries.  (You would be able to get 5 different onesfor the minimumum of £6.00)


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Re: Marriage Walter Bone, Mary Pagan
« Reply #2 on: Monday 07 January 08 00:03 GMT (UK) »

Thanks so much for this info.  I do feel that my Mary is the daughter born Sept 1830.
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Re: Marriage Walter Bone, Mary Pagan
« Reply #3 on: Monday 07 January 08 09:31 GMT (UK) »

Yes Peggy,

When you get to a certain point things have to be on a balance of probabilities.  At the end of the day, the only value of downloading the birth entry for your Mary would be to confirm if they were married.  A couple who were married would have a 'lawful' daughter  - whilst a couple who had a child out of wedlock would have a 'natural' daughter.  I know, splitting hairs and hopefully not teaching you to suck eggs  :O) 


Good luck with your searching.  Regards,   Steve
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Re: Marriage Walter Bone, Mary Pagan
« Reply #4 on: Monday 07 January 08 10:21 GMT (UK) »

Thanks so much, Steve.  Another lady has offered to look in the Scottish Parochial records to see what she can find.
Hope something conclusive turns up.
Thanks again
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Re: Marriage Walter Bone, Mary Pagan
« Reply #5 on: Monday 07 January 08 16:31 GMT (UK) »

If you find the Bone family of Kirkpatrick, Juxta is connected to you there is a death notice in a Dumfries paper saying that a Walter Bone late of Kirkpatrick, Juxta died aged 52.  He lived near South East Huntsville, Missouri, America.  He died on the 2nd March 1878.

Let me know if you want the proper reading.

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Re: Marriage Walter Bone, Mary Pagan
« Reply #6 on: Monday 07 January 08 18:21 GMT (UK) »

Hello Betty,
I would love to have the reading.  I know that Walter was in Ontario, Canada in 1851 but where he went from there,
I don't know.  Maybe this is him.
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Re: Marriage Walter Bone, Mary Pagan
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 08 January 08 14:20 GMT (UK) »

Attached is the extract from the paper dated 4th May 1878, Page 4G

It is not very good, but it is the best I could do.  You will see the top line does not refer to you.  Also it might read "three" miles south east.  It is blurred.  If it turns out to be important I might be able to see the original newspaper.

Betty


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Re: Marriage Walter Bone, Mary Pagan
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 08 January 08 19:06 GMT (UK) »

Hmm. I wonder if this Walter might be a nephew of my Walter. There is some speculation that my Walter had
a brother David.
Thanks
I will keep this on record.
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Re: Marriage Walter Bone, Mary Pagan
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 09 January 08 18:11 GMT (UK) »

I may have a connection with this family.   My gggxgrandmother was Margaret Bone, born around 1800, who married John Moffat in Kirkpatrick Juxta in 1821.  I have a note on my file that Walter is a possible brother or cousin.  Margaret's father was William Bone who was a Leadminer.   You should also try searching the Sanquhar/Wanlockhead and Leadhills areas, which have provided me with useful Bone information in the past.   There is also a David Bone married to a Janet Brown, 1813 Kirkpatrick Juxta -  daughters Janet and Margaret born KPJ and a son Walter born possibly Hoddam (1828).   I think IGI records for KPJ only list females so an SP search might give better results.
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Ayrshire: McCormick (mack); McFadzean; Kerr; Brown; Paton; McGregor; McDonald; Moffat; Connel; Bone
Dumfries/Lanarks: (pre-1840) McDonald; Moffat; Bone; Hamilton; Hyslop; Sandiland; Bredwood; Kerr; Brown
Ireland (pre-1820) McCormick (Monaghan)
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Re: Marriage Walter Bone, Mary Pagan
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 09 January 08 18:23 GMT (UK) »

This sounds very interesting. I keep running across this David Bone and Janet Brown marriage as well.  Would that be Walter's brother.  I don't know what an SP search is.  A friend has sent me a marriage for Walter Bone and Mary Pagan in 1827.  It is believed he was previously married to a Mary Brown, don't have the date but children were John b 1813, Janet 1814, and Marion 1820.  So maybe 1812. 
It sounds very likely that we are connected.  I have information, unverified, that Walter was born 1791.
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Re: Marriage Walter Bone, Mary Pagan
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 09 January 08 18:32 GMT (UK) »

I'll have a dig in my files tomorrow and let you see what I have - some of it is conjecture, based on dates and places, but it might give you some leads.
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Ayrshire: McCormick (mack); McFadzean; Kerr; Brown; Paton; McGregor; McDonald; Moffat; Connel; Bone
Dumfries/Lanarks: (pre-1840) McDonald; Moffat; Bone; Hamilton; Hyslop; Sandiland; Bredwood; Kerr; Brown
Ireland (pre-1820) McCormick (Monaghan)
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Re: Marriage Walter Bone, Mary Pagan
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 09 January 08 18:33 GMT (UK) »

Thank you so very much. I look forward to hearing from you.
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Re: Marriage Walter Bone, Mary Pagan
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 09 January 08 19:06 GMT (UK) »

Found it sooner than I thought - I had typed it all out before so I will just paste it in.

I put this speculative tree together when I was trying to find a family for Margaret - I have not got positive proof, but the places and dates fit as does the naming pattern of Margaret’s children.   It was not researched in any depth, but I might do that now!

William Bone abt. 1756 married Marion Sandilands (banns Sanquhar /Crawfordjoh 1776)   Children: Janet 1779;  Marion 1781;  David  1790; William 1791; Walter 1793; and possibly my Margaret 1796 (no record of her birth) and John 1800. 

David married Janet Brown - children Walter 1828; Margaret 1832; Janet 1835
William married Jean Heastie 1811 Kirkpatrick Juxta
Walter married (and I have two recorded) 1. Mary Brown 1813,.  Children Janet 1814 and Marion 1820.   2. Mary Pagan 1827 - one child Mary
Margaret married John Moffat (my ancestors)
John married Marion Moffat (John's sister?) and had  James 1825, who married Catherine Hastie who may have been related to Jean Heastie.

Hope this helps.
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Ayrshire: McCormick (mack); McFadzean; Kerr; Brown; Paton; McGregor; McDonald; Moffat; Connel; Bone
Dumfries/Lanarks: (pre-1840) McDonald; Moffat; Bone; Hamilton; Hyslop; Sandiland; Bredwood; Kerr; Brown
Ireland (pre-1820) McCormick (Monaghan)
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Re: Marriage Walter Bone, Mary Pagan
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 09 January 08 20:16 GMT (UK) »

This is terrific.  Thank you so much.  I did wonder at one time if David and Walter, brothers, married Brown sisters, possibly even a double wedding in 1813.
Someone else sent me the birth image of a John Bone, Sept 22, 1832, parents Walter Bone and Mary Pagan in Eskdalemuir. Also, a John Bone, unverified, no image, June 17, 1813 in KPJ, parents Walter Bone and Mary Brown.
Do you have any idea if and who might have emigrated to Canada. I know that Walter went to Puslinch, Ontario. In 1851, there is Walter and Mary, parents, with Mary 22 and John 20 which roughly agrees with the births I have.  The problem is that someone else claims that Mary 22 is their Mary.  I really think it is my Mary.
You see, my Mary goes on to marry Francis Wood in Puslinch, and then in 1901 gives her date of birth as Sept. 1829 (close).  She names her youngest son Angus McKellar Wood, and  her half-sister Marion Bone married Angus McKellar.  The other Mary goes on to marry James Bell and Gideon Hood, and has descendants named David Bone McRae and Jessie Brown McCorkingdale. Her birthday in 1901 was Jan 1, 1827 (sometimes 1824).  The years are often wrong on censuses but the dates are pretty close. Makes me wonder if she is a descendant of David, if he went to Canada, or maybe she went on her own.  Is Janet sometimes called Jessie?
Anyway, thanks so much.
Peggy
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