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CatOne
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What age and occupation is Ernest Archer on marriage certificate? The only Ernest Archer I can find in the Louth area on the 1901 census is aged 21 (occ. Clothiers Assistant), could Mary have lied to show she was nearer her husband's age and that she was over 21 so didn't need parental consent? (although Ernest could have been from elsewhere of course)
Found this Smith family in 1901, age of Mary is out a few years though, she would have been 19/20 on marriage 
RG13/3835 Folio 199 Page 71
Off Stuart? Street (caravan) Castleton Nearer, Rochdale, Lancs
William Smith 44 Wicker Basket ............ Hawkers Lincolns Gainsboro
Hetty 40 Nottinghams Newark
Fanny 19 Nottinghams Mansfield
Isabella 16 Yorkshire Huddersfield
Israel 9 Yorkshire Huddersfield
Mary 5 Nottinghams Mansfield
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Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire Shaw, Marland - Lancashire Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland Richards - Neath Swansea Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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wizz123
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Thanks for the info Catone,lv followed what information you left,and found them on the 1901 census,but not the 1891 or 1881.
So,that as left me wondering,which way to turn next  .Or was it a case,of the being true travellers,were they were not ever asked to do a census in 1881 or 1891.?
Regards Wizz
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Archer(Lincolnshire)Foat(Lincolnshire,Kent),Thatcher(Manchester),Smith(Nottinghamshire).
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mich b
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Hi Wizz,
Not that its of much help to you, but SMITH is a common Gypsy/Traveller surname.
I know of quite a few English Gypsy families named SMITH in Newark on the Tolney Lane Traveller site and there are some well established Gypsy families in Leicestershire named SMITH.
A lot of Gypsy family history is passed via word of mouth as many Travellers couldn't read or write. Even now Gypsies and Travellers are the most educationally disadvantaged group in the UK today. However, they are fantastic story tellers and some Gypsies will come into schools and other establishments to tell amazing tales of Travelling life, which helps breaks down prejudice and barriers.
Kind regards,
Michelle 
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BINI:Lucca,Italy/Sheffield/Shireoaks/Nott'm
JOHNSON:Whetstone,Leics
PINDER:Sheffield
KENNY:IRL,Dublin,ENG,Lancs,S.KENNY m BINI
BINGHAM:Sheffield/Shireoaks
WATSON:Foxton,Leics
WORMLEIGHTON:Enderby,Leics
MARSH:Sheffield
KEMBLE:Godalming/Leicester
GLEDHILL:Bolton,Lancs/Worsop,Notts
PEBERDY:Saddington/Foxton/Gumley, Leics
HORTON:Saddington/Foxton,Leics
DANN:Foxton/Cosby/Leics
HARRITY:Sheffield
COLDERLEY:Bolton,Lancs
JONES:ChurchGresley/Smisby,Derby's/Worksop,Notts
JEACOCK: LEI/Blaby
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Burto
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Hi,
Michelle, I know this is slightly off topic (sorry) but are there any records available for these Gypsies in Leicestershire?
I have an elusive Ann Swift who appears and disappears whose "illegitimate" son was a violin player and performer, who I did wonder might be Gypsy....not sure if Swift would be mistaken for Smith though but you never know!
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Swift , Cross, Matthews, Hudson , Price , Clarke , Elliot, Rockley, Dewey, Turton, Nottingham
Aldread, Brentnall, Cowlishaw Derbyshire
Smith Bilston Staffordshire
Bennett, Calary? Ireland
Johnson, US of A
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mich b
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Hi Burto,
I can give you a few helpful websites, which may or may not have information about Gypsies and Travellers. If nothing else they may help to dispel a few myths like: not all Hawkers, Basket Makers, Horse Dealers, Knife Grinders etc were gypsies, but many were.
I personally don't know of SWIFT as a common Gypsy name, but that's not to say it isn't. Gypsy forenames were (and still are) often unusual, often names from the Old Testament too. Forenames on both the male and female lines are still handed down.
Try these sites:
http://website.lineone.net/~rtfhs/gypsy.html
http://journeyfolki.org.uk/HistoryCulture/GypsyExpressions/tabid/858/ctl/Terms/Default.aspx
http://www.leics.gov.uk/pressrelease.htm?id=100310
This is a genealogy site about Gypsy ancestors, some in Leicestershire and some with the surname SMITH.
http://www.sarah-henson.co.uk/names/loveridge.htm
Newark's Millgate Museum did have an exhibition about Gypsies and Travellers, but I'm not sure whether it was permanent. The staff there maybe able to offer some help: Tel: (01636) 655730
There is a Leicester Gypsy Group, but to my knowledge they're mostly involved in fighting for Travellers rights and liaising with Leicester Council.
I hope this helps you in some way.
Good Luck,
Michelle
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BINI:Lucca,Italy/Sheffield/Shireoaks/Nott'm
JOHNSON:Whetstone,Leics
PINDER:Sheffield
KENNY:IRL,Dublin,ENG,Lancs,S.KENNY m BINI
BINGHAM:Sheffield/Shireoaks
WATSON:Foxton,Leics
WORMLEIGHTON:Enderby,Leics
MARSH:Sheffield
KEMBLE:Godalming/Leicester
GLEDHILL:Bolton,Lancs/Worsop,Notts
PEBERDY:Saddington/Foxton/Gumley, Leics
HORTON:Saddington/Foxton,Leics
DANN:Foxton/Cosby/Leics
HARRITY:Sheffield
COLDERLEY:Bolton,Lancs
JONES:ChurchGresley/Smisby,Derby's/Worksop,Notts
JEACOCK: LEI/Blaby
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