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Topic: HARRIS, SHERRATT, East Anglia (Read 2067 times)
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Hello everyone,
I have been researching my fh and my husbands for a few years now, but have avoided doing my mum's side, as I have been waiting to gain more experience before 'tackling' it. I am hoping to give it a go this year!!
My question is, is there any books or websites that give more info on the Romany gypsies and travelling showmen in the Lincolnshire/East Anglia area? Especially any that describe the HARRIS families?
When I first started I talked to a kind lady at the FH fair in London (the big one in May) on the Traveller's stand, and she said that Harris was a well known name in E Anglia. She gave me a title of a book that included Harris's, but I've lost the reference now.
My cousin has done some research, but exclusively locally to Boston/area, and said that she could trace the Sherratt's back, but was at a loss with the Harris's. Any hints and tips would be welcome!!!
My Grandfather was Walter Sherratt and was a showman,
My Grandmother was Sylvester Harris, and they lived in Boston, Lincs from WW2 time onwards (in a house). They ran a drapery business (I think). I don't know when they came to settle in a house, though there were still many relatives in caravans at this stage.
Many of my relatives are buried in the Cemetary in Boston, but on contacting the local FHS it seems there is no index available of the cemetry as yet.
Any ideas and pointers would be appreciated.
(I don't live in the area, btw)
Cindy
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LANCASHIRE: Briscoe, Taylor, Hamilton, Cutts, Mousdell, Dixon, Fairclough, Dingle, Pennington, Ingham, Martin, Pinnington, Haselden, Molyneux
CHESHIRE/DENBEIGHSHIRE: Briscoe, Gibson, Tudor
SCOTLAND: Hunt, Murray, Docherty, Malley, Cameron, Colman, Middleton, Mason, Drummond, Gourdale, Fraser
Traveller/East Anglia and beyond!: Harris, Sherratt, Thorpe
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Thanks for replying
It sounds very interesting, though not the publication I was after. I have found several references to it by Googling, thank you  Iam interested in anything at all, including general books on travellers and the routes taken/fairs etc, in East Anglia. I thought some background reading might help in trying to locate sources to find them, if the BMD certs prove tricky.
The one I was after was probably only one of those small booklets that you get from FHS. I think I will need to contact the Traveller FHS (and have another good look, my research is in dire need of a big sort out anyway).
I will post if I find the title.
With regards to Sylvester Harris, she died in 1982 in her 80's, so I'm assuming she was born round 1900. I haven't really started researching properly yet, I admit, I only have my mother's birth certificate at the moment. I need to save up!!!
Cindyx
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LANCASHIRE: Briscoe, Taylor, Hamilton, Cutts, Mousdell, Dixon, Fairclough, Dingle, Pennington, Ingham, Martin, Pinnington, Haselden, Molyneux
CHESHIRE/DENBEIGHSHIRE: Briscoe, Gibson, Tudor
SCOTLAND: Hunt, Murray, Docherty, Malley, Cameron, Colman, Middleton, Mason, Drummond, Gourdale, Fraser
Traveller/East Anglia and beyond!: Harris, Sherratt, Thorpe
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Hi Sharon
After a big sort through, I've found the reference, and indeed you were right first time! It was the Harris's funfairs one. The Loveridge title also sounds of interest.
I notice there are some Harris's and Thorpes in caravans together on the 1901 cenus in Huntingdon. I presume you have that?
I think I need to get Sylvester and Walter's Marriage cert, then I'll post again and let you know if John and Sylvester looks likely as Sylvester's parents. This may take a while, due to low post Xmas funds!
Btw, my full name, Cynthia, is supposed to be apassed down gypsy one, my mother said that she knew other older Romanys (family?) called Cynthi (prounounced Cynth- eye). So if this name crops up, it could be another clue. (also Lemontina was a cousin or something)
Thanks again.
Cindy
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LANCASHIRE: Briscoe, Taylor, Hamilton, Cutts, Mousdell, Dixon, Fairclough, Dingle, Pennington, Ingham, Martin, Pinnington, Haselden, Molyneux
CHESHIRE/DENBEIGHSHIRE: Briscoe, Gibson, Tudor
SCOTLAND: Hunt, Murray, Docherty, Malley, Cameron, Colman, Middleton, Mason, Drummond, Gourdale, Fraser
Traveller/East Anglia and beyond!: Harris, Sherratt, Thorpe
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Hi Sharon,
Thanks for that, very interesting, certainly gives a vivid picture, even if it turns out not to be the branch of the Harris family I am interested in.
I did wonder how Sinfi / Sinfie was spelt/written down.
Cindy
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LANCASHIRE: Briscoe, Taylor, Hamilton, Cutts, Mousdell, Dixon, Fairclough, Dingle, Pennington, Ingham, Martin, Pinnington, Haselden, Molyneux
CHESHIRE/DENBEIGHSHIRE: Briscoe, Gibson, Tudor
SCOTLAND: Hunt, Murray, Docherty, Malley, Cameron, Colman, Middleton, Mason, Drummond, Gourdale, Fraser
Traveller/East Anglia and beyond!: Harris, Sherratt, Thorpe
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Hi Sharon,
Just to let you know that I have now got my grandparents marriage cert, and indeed, Sylvester's father is John HARRIS. I haven't found a convincing reference to her birth, but it would be in 1901. It is possible (but no-where near certain!) that the Sylvester and John I referred to in the 1901 census are her parents ( with THORPEs amongst others in neighbouring caravans) and that they could be the right age to be the ones mentioned in the vivid description of the marriage in the paper.
however, as exciting as that would be, I am aware that they may not be my great grandparents, as I believe there were many marriages between gypsy families and the same names were repeated many times.
But it certainly has given me inspiration to continue, I will be asking my dad if he remembers my great grandmother's name (she was still alive when I was a baby) thank you.
Cindy
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LANCASHIRE: Briscoe, Taylor, Hamilton, Cutts, Mousdell, Dixon, Fairclough, Dingle, Pennington, Ingham, Martin, Pinnington, Haselden, Molyneux
CHESHIRE/DENBEIGHSHIRE: Briscoe, Gibson, Tudor
SCOTLAND: Hunt, Murray, Docherty, Malley, Cameron, Colman, Middleton, Mason, Drummond, Gourdale, Fraser
Traveller/East Anglia and beyond!: Harris, Sherratt, Thorpe
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Hi Sharon,
Yes please, any info would be helpful. No connection I know of with Brownhills (this is in the 'Black Country near Birmingham), but Wisbech is a place that rings a bell.
They were in/around Boston, Lincs for many years, and got married in Spalding Registry office, with both giving addresses in Spalding. (5 High Street, in her case) Sylvester is '21 years' in 1922. Both her and Walter's father are down as 'General Dealers'. Walter's address was 'Commercial Road, Spalding'
I will need to check her death entry, but I think she was in her 80's when she died (1982). She could have been younger and just saying she was 21, so the 1904 birth entry is a possibility, but I will need to check the age at death first.
The Harris entry in 1904 is the only one that comes up on Free bmd, but I think I will need to check in more detail. (needs a trip to the library) Must admit I'm a bit at sea here, as I'm used to using place as a way to narrow down the correct family. 
For me the places 'Wyberton, Wisbech, Spalding, Boston' were all places my mum talked of.
I will need to do some more digging and see if I can come up with more info on my Great Grandmother (mother to Sylvester), need to look at some of the pictures and see if there's a name, and also a death entry in the 1960's which might help. (I know she died between the mid 60s and early 70's).
Sorry I can't give you any thing else as yet....
Cindy
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LANCASHIRE: Briscoe, Taylor, Hamilton, Cutts, Mousdell, Dixon, Fairclough, Dingle, Pennington, Ingham, Martin, Pinnington, Haselden, Molyneux
CHESHIRE/DENBEIGHSHIRE: Briscoe, Gibson, Tudor
SCOTLAND: Hunt, Murray, Docherty, Malley, Cameron, Colman, Middleton, Mason, Drummond, Gourdale, Fraser
Traveller/East Anglia and beyond!: Harris, Sherratt, Thorpe
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Hi Sharon,
Have had a look at the death indexes, and it seems to be coming together, Grandmother S. Harris died late enough for her d.o.b to be on the indexes, HURRAH! and yup, its in the Sept of 1904, so strong possibility that the birth in St Ives, near Huntingdon, is her!!! Her mother is 'Sylve Harris' on the death index and is old enough to be Sylvester harris/ nee Thorpe.
Please, when you have time, pm me and we'll exchange e-mails, so that we can keep in touch. It may take me a while to get hold of the birth cert, etc. I do have photos of Sylvester Harris (nee Thorpe, possibly), but only once she was old.
Also, I would be interested in any info you can dig up on this line. I notice you said this was only a 'side line' for you, but anything you have will be of interest and in exchange I can send you a couple of pics that you may find of interest. Though nothing before the 1950's I'm afraid.
The only additional info I can think of at the moment is that my mum said that Gran was one of 12 children!!
also I have found possibles for the Sherratt line, in Wellingborough, which is also not that far away, but I'm less certain of these as yet (in regards to actually buying the certs)
Thanks again, you have really helped me get going on this side of my family
Cindy
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LANCASHIRE: Briscoe, Taylor, Hamilton, Cutts, Mousdell, Dixon, Fairclough, Dingle, Pennington, Ingham, Martin, Pinnington, Haselden, Molyneux
CHESHIRE/DENBEIGHSHIRE: Briscoe, Gibson, Tudor
SCOTLAND: Hunt, Murray, Docherty, Malley, Cameron, Colman, Middleton, Mason, Drummond, Gourdale, Fraser
Traveller/East Anglia and beyond!: Harris, Sherratt, Thorpe
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
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(also Lemontina was a cousin or something)
Hi. I have this name in my family. Lemontina/Lemintina/Lemontaine crops up in the Gardner and Smith families.
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Croydon, Surrey - KENT, SKILTON, BESLEY, HIGGS
Surrey & Kent - GARDNER, DALLAWAY, STRUDWICK, LANE, PENFOLD (Roma/Traveller)
London - COOKE
Shropshire/Denbighshire/Montgomershire - FRANCIS, LLOYD
Staffordshire - TOOTH, DEVALL
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