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GeoffE
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Re: occupation
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 13 January 08 12:04 GMT (UK) »

I always imagine that the Courts of Whitehaven were probably pretty dire places, "infill housing".

I don't think the name "Longmires Passage" conferred any status on the Longmires - it was just the passage next to Longmire's shop ... and probably Longmires Court was the courtyard at the end of the Passage.

If Queen St was mumbered 1-3-5-7 etc, I would imagine that no 41 was between Peter St and George St.


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« Reply #16 on: Sunday 13 January 08 12:37 GMT (UK) »

Looking at the numbers existing now of Queen St, most of the large numbers 117 onwards are going from Duke street onwards. I would say the area where Longmire Court was, would be where the blocks of flats are now, going up the hill towards High Street. It was probably demolished to make way for the flats.

As you say Geoff, they were probably pretty grotty in the courts, and wouldn't be allowed nowadays.

Rosemary


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GROGGINS, GLASSON, FARRELLY, PYE, CAMPBELL, HENVY, GLAVE - Ireland, Whitehaven (Cumberland)
BEARDEN, BOWMAN - Whitehaven/Beckermet Cumberland
ROONEY, WARD, MALONE - Ireland, Cleator Moor (Cumberland)
MAIN, CUTTER, CLAYTON, PRYKE - Thetford, Swaffham (Norfolk)
FORD/E - Ireland, Warwickshire England
COULTHARD - Whitehaven/Workington (Cumberland)
DWAN - Ireland
LAWSON - Isle of Man, Whitehaven

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« Reply #17 on: Sunday 13 January 08 15:38 GMT (UK) »

Hi

Google earth seems to have it in the next section of Queen St above the church. There are a few old bits left there, so you never know! Rge courts behind those in the 19C can't hve been very impressive at all!

I don't know how brilliant their numbering is.

Emms


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Re: occupation
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 13 January 08 20:13 GMT (UK) »

Sad to say, I'm taking mother to a funeral in Whitehaven tomorrow - her little sister! i've no doubt we will end up in the centre of town looking for a toilet as mother is 85 and the trip from carlisle will be traumatic for both of us. If I get a minute I will explore.
Mother is more an expert on Workington if anyone want's local knowledge from 1930 onwards. She is sharper than I am (not difficult) but still reads the daily mail and believes everything in it.
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« Reply #19 on: Sunday 13 January 08 22:08 GMT (UK) »

Don't know if this is of any help...bit of a plan of Whitehaven.

Plots marked in Black are the original plot numbers as laid down between 1745 and 1800. The numbers in orange are the street numbers as in 1963.

Bit of Queen street between Duke St and George St looks like it could be a likely target??

Mandie Kiss

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Hope - Carlisle and Cumberland.
Aitken, Bell, McNeille - Dumfries and Kirkcudbrightshire and or Ireland.
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Re: occupation
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 13 January 08 22:41 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for everyones answers. My ancestor probably sold fruit and veg from her front room (!) as I have never found a member of the family with any links to money!!!!!!!!!!!Bob you mentioned your mother and Workington. My late mother was from Workington and would have been 72. Her older brothers would have been between 80 and 90 had they been alive. I wonder if she ever came across them?? Ousby, Teddy and Billy Whitfield (my mother was Catherine). Long shot I know but every little helps. Cass Wink


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Hampshire - Alford
Ireland - County Down - Fagan, Murphy
Kidderminster - Whitfield

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Re: occupation
« Reply #21 on: Monday 14 January 08 00:28 GMT (UK) »

I can just about make out where it is now

Those houses are still there, and were renovated. They do have courts behind a lot of them even now, but I've never been into them. I'll have a good look next time I walk past. One of the houses, just down from 39 was the office for "Life", against abortions many years ago. I only know because my mam was one of the founder members of the Whitehaven group.

Bob, try Tesco or Morrisons for the toilet. We don't have an abundance of public toilets in town, but these are usually clean. I think it's about time there was some sort of toilet placed between Carlisle and Whitehaven, there isn't one at all, and it's an hour's drive. No good for your mam. There's always the Lakes centre at Cockermouth if you know where that is, and she can't hold on until Whitehaven.

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GeoffE
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« Reply #22 on: Monday 14 January 08 08:44 GMT (UK) »

The map is very useful ... comparing it with the Enumerator's walk in the 1871 census, the latter shows Plumblands Lane to be between 120 and 121 Queen St, so it is the orange numbers that apply in this case. This would seem to give us a good fix on the location of LONGMIRE's premises - perhaps Longmire's Court was in Plot 39.

MandieP
Would it be possible to post the bit of the map immediately to the left - I would like to see Sandhills Lane if possible please. Thanks


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« Reply #23 on: Monday 14 January 08 10:24 GMT (UK) »

Good morning Geoff

You're lucky......I'm off work this week....so just for you..

Mandie

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« Reply #24 on: Monday 14 January 08 11:07 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for that Mandie

I used to visit NESBITT relations at No15 many years ago. I wondered if the street had been renumbered as in 1881 the house was occupied by people called NESBITT in 1881. There appears to have been no such renumbering but I'm sure there wasn't a connection between the two lots of NESBITTs.


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Re: occupation
« Reply #25 on: Monday 14 January 08 13:32 GMT (UK) »

Hi All

Thank you for that, Mandie. It's made it a lot clearer. I've got a copy of part of an old map somewhere, but I can't find it at all.

It wouldn't have given as much information, I don't think - though it might have the names of more of the courts.

I guess the housing on the left will be what has been knocked down behind the posyt office.

Best wishes
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« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 15 January 08 17:17 GMT (UK) »

Cass,
Mother does remember some Ousby's but said the sister we buried would have known them better. Before we resort to the ouiji board, little brother is up for the funeral and is visiting me before he goes home darn sarf. He is 73 so might have known your mum. Which part of town did she live cos you know the uppies and the downies never mixed! ;>}
Rosemary,
I'll reply by PM as I don't want to bore the whole forum with the days tale. Suffice to say, the funeral tea was in (I think) the Waverly - no wheelchair access and no special loos. A nightmare.
Queen st - the church for the funeral was right at the top of Queen St but it was pouring it down and mother is allergic to water so I never got chance. But we seem to be cracking it from the maps anyway.
bob


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Re: occupation
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 16 January 08 09:31 GMT (UK) »

Bob, my mother was born at High Brow Top in Workington?? Not sure how long she lived there for. They were all catholics so would have gone to the nearest catholic schools(have mislaid details of the schools). Ousby was actually John Ousby Whitfield and Teddy, Edward Wilson Whitfield. Teddy apparently had a hunch back so your uncle may remember that. Here's hoping. Cass Wink


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Cumbria - Whitfield, Fagan, Murphy, Sloan, Weighman, Ousby, Brunskill
Hampshire - Alford
Ireland - County Down - Fagan, Murphy
Kidderminster - Whitfield

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« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 16 January 08 19:09 GMT (UK) »

St. Patricks would have been the school for Brow Top. Mother has also got another uncle on dads side on the case. They all lived round corporation rd and milburn st so not too far away.
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Re: occupation
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 17 January 08 13:00 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Bob! It had Corporation st as my mothers address on my birth cert. (1960's is all i'm saying!!). Forgot she had another brother Billy as well. St Patricks sound familiar also. Cass


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Hampshire - Alford
Ireland - County Down - Fagan, Murphy
Kidderminster - Whitfield

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