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welshspencer
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This post is gettiing stranger by the day
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Hi all
Iam trying to find this family in the 1871 Census I found them in the 1901, 1891 1881 Census
this is what is in the 1881
John Sandford 1843 Lyde, Hereford, England
Harriot Sandford 1844 Burghill, Hereford, England
Edward 1867 Burghill, Hereford, England
Allan 1871 Burghill, Hereford, England
George 1874 Burghill, Hereford, England
Alice 1877 Lyde, Hereford, England
Bertha
regards
Russ
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suzard
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I think this may be a possibility
Possibly John did not marry Harriet until 1871 and so Edward would be born pre marriage-I cannot find a birth reg for Edward Sandford, but I can find one for Edward Jones at correct time and place
There is this marriage
Jun qtr 1871
Hereford
on same page
John Sandford
Harriet Jones
6a 871
then could this be harriett?
1871
Portway Rd
Burghill
John Watham head M 45 ag lab Burghill
Ann Watham wife 48 Burghill
Harriett Jones U 25 Domestic Servant burghill
Edward Jones son 5 Burghill
RG10 2694 19 10
then in 1891 1901 census John gives p.o.b. as Morton on Lugg hereford
so could this be him?
1871
Bags portway
Burghill
Ann Sandford Head W 55 ag labs widow Holmer hereford
John Sandford son U 26 ag lab Moreton herefrod
George Sandford son U 23 ag lab Moreton hereford
Joseph son 14 ag lab Burghill
RG10 2694 19 9
Suz
RG10 2694 1910
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welshspencer
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Hi Suz
great bit of detective work there, that all seems to fit like a glove,
kind regards
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Whoops -forgot to enter harriett Jones was described as daughter of John and Ann Watham -but she was definately single
maybe her Mum had remarried???
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Thanks Suz
it just gets harder, now I cant see ann and children in the 1861,,,,,
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Been doing a little digging !
This may be my imagination working overtime but.........
there is a marriage
Dec qtr 1864
Hereford
John Watham
Ann Lewis
6a 894
bear with me......
1861 there is Samuel lewis age 55 Burghill and with him is Ann lewis described as wife age 39 Burghill
but....
I can only find this (possible) marriage
Sept qtr 1862
Hereford
Ann Jones
Samuel lewis
6a 773
haven't looked for a death of Samuel
but did Ann marry him and then he died shortly afterwards???
I haven't found Harriett in 1861
but...
what about this family in 1851
Hereford Union Workhouse
Ann Jones Inmate 29 mother Farm Servant Burghill
John Jones Inmate 12 son St Peters hereford
Harriett Jones inmate 8 daughter St Peters
Amelia inmate 4 daughter St peters
Allice inmate 1mth daughter St peters
HO107 1978 313 8
haven't looked for the children in 1861
What do you think?
Suz
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So we have a Ann Jones in the Work house with Children
John Jones Inmate 12 son St Peters hereford
Harriett Jones inmate 8 daughter St Peters
Amelia inmate 4 daughter St peters
Allice inmate 1mth daughter St peters
Then she married a Samuel Lewis in sept 1862 (buth the 1861 Shows them already to be married?)
and her name became Lewis
Then Samuel Died and she married John Watham in 1864, with her daughter Harriet keeping her name Jones.
it makes sence apart of the 1861 census showing them married ..
Harriet then had a son Edward whom was also a Jones
Harriet then married John Sandford , but acnt be found in the 1861 or 1851 Census.
took me a while to get my head around this
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I looked in the 61/51 for John sandford, his mother Ann c 1816 and his siblings and cant find them anywhere
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We have harriett in 1851 (if she is the correct one ) in the workhouse with her mother)
It's just 1861 we are missing
this is a possibility
1861
St peters hereford
Blue Coat School
Elizabeth Jones U 40 Schoolmistress hereford
Harriett jones neice 16 scholar hereford
RG9 1819 43 33
the other children who are in the workhouse
birth Alice Jones
mar qtr 1851
Hereford
23 214
there are several deaths for Alice Jones between 1851-61 and i can't find her in 1861
Birth Amelia Jones
Sept qtr 1847
hereford
26 1_1
I cannot find Amelia in 1861 -but again there are a few deaths between 1851-1861
Birth John Jones
Jun qtr 1839
Hereford
26 181
a possibility for John in 1861
Pipe and Lyde
hereford
John Jones Lodger U 21 Burghill
with Thomas and mary Griffiths and family
RG9 1818 96 5
will try and sort out Samuel/Ann
Suz
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Thanks suz
thats great work
so we have a Ann Jones and a Ann Sandford.
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Found george Sandford in 1861 working as a servant in Worcester
Wonder if the family wadered into Wales?
Must go and finish cooking dinner -will try and look further later this evening
Interesting family
Suz
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Thanks Suz
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IGI
(extracted record)
Christening
Harriett Jones
30 jan 1843 Burghill hereford
Mother Ann Jones
seems we are on the right track
Suz
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Hi
Great work. regarding the 1871 you found on the John Sandford
1871
Bags portway
Burghill
Ann Sandford Head W 55 ag labs widow Holmer hereford
John Sandford son U 26 ag lab Moreton herefrod
George Sandford son U 23 ag lab Moreton hereford
Joseph son 14 ag lab Burghill
RG10 2694 19 9
He was umarried when the Census was taken living with mother and brothers.
but he married june 1871 and they ahd there first child Allan by 1871...
Bet they were the talk of the town.
for some reason i have stopped getting emails to tell me someone has left a reply
will have to try and sort that
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I don't think they'd be the talk of the town -it happened quite often during that period of time - and in an odd kind of a way I think it made families closer -plus the fact a girl often didn't marry until she was pregnant - once the daughters married Mum lost the washing machine/baby sitter/ fire grate black leader etc
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