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Topic: William Andrews/Davies, Llangadock (Read 1057 times)
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welsh lady
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The only William Andrews in Carmarthenshire in 1851 is below.And looks likely
Arlaes,Kidwelly,Carmarthenshire
H0107 Piece 2469 Folio 172
Mary Andrews,Head,71,Farmer of 17 acres,St Ishmael.Carms
Mary Andrews,Dau,Unm,42,Kidwelly,Carms
Jane Andrews,Dau,Unm.38,Kidwelly,Carms
Frances Andrews,Dau,Unm,29.Kidwelly,Carms
William Andrews,Grandson,1,Kidwelly ,Carms
And a servant
Heres the Father in 1851
Vicarage Llangadock,Carms
H0107 Piece 2470 Folio 56 Page 19
Thomas Davies,Head,49,Vicar of Llangadock,Abergwily,Carms
Mary Davies,Wife,46,Carmarthen
Mary Ann Elizabeth Davies,Dau,11,Llangadock,Carms
Daniel George Davies,Son,9,Llangadock,Carms
Emma Woodruff Botkins?,Governess,23,Bristl.Glou
Ann Williams.Visitor,15,Llangynin,Carms
Mary Williams,Visitor.10,Llangynin,Carms
Hannah Allen,House Servt,21,Llangathen,Carms
John Lewis.Groom.25,Llangadock,Carms
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welsh lady
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I can trace the William Andrews i found above to 1881.Am curious how do you know the Father was the Vicar Thomas Davies?When did William change his name?Do you have Williams marriage cert?And what further details do you have on William?
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StephEv
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Hello Welsh Lady, This has been a long lasting mystery in the family, as William Andrews was taken in at seven by a John Morgans a farmer at NantyMoch Llangadock, and is in fact on the 1851 Census. On the census it mentions nursing which is interesting and wonder if it is either seven years or seven months, will check births. What would have been Nursing? Cymru 
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welsh lady
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Right have found right one now hes mistranscribed as Andreas on Ancestry however hes born approx 1843/1844.
1851 Nantymoch.Llangadock,Carms
H0107 Piece 2470 Folio 133 page 5
John Morgan,Head,39,Farmer 24 Acres,Llangadock
Gwenllian Morgan,Wife,44,Llanduessant,Carms
Elizabeth Morgan,Dau,13,Llangadock
Catherine Morgan,Dau,9,Llangadock
Sarah Morgan,Dau,6,Llangadock
John Morgan,Son,3,Llangadock
William Andrews,Nursing?,7,Illegitimate son,Llangadock
In 1861 hes still with the family now has their surname William Morgan,Son,18,Llangadock.So birth is approx 1843/44
Think you need to send for his birth cert.
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welsh lady
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And here he is in 1881 and has changed his name to his Fathers surname?
Nantmoch.Llangadock,Carms
RG11 Piece 5380 Folio 48 Page 10
William Davies.Head,38,Farmer 43 acres,Llangadock
Margaret Davies,Wife,30,Llangadock
David Davies,Son,1,Llangadock
Hetty Morgans,9,Servant,Llangadock
Was wondering if Hetty relation of his adopted parents the Morgans?
Also strange an adopted child got the farm.Another avenue would be John Morgans will?
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Hello WelshLady, Sincere thanks for your help, you can no doubt see my puzzle, have dubbed Thomas Davies the Naughty Vicar in recent times and just wonder if their might have been some religious cover up. Have tried the National Archives for a will, but no luck yet. I have recently though interestingly enough been told there was some dispute over the will. Seems odd that he is left the whole farm ahead of John Morgans real family? The Vicarage in Llangadock playing a part perhaps!? Nothing like a good story in Ancestry, especially from South West Wales from those days!!Cymru 
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Hi Again Welsh lady, As a matter of interest Thomas Davies (Naughty) Vicar of Llangadock died in March 1861 and was buried in Abergwilli, Carmarthenshire. Dew, Dew
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welsh lady
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Does William name his Father when he marries?How did you know Thomas was the Father from family papers?So William only took on the Davies name after his Father Thomas Davies had died?
Went back to 1841 to see if that would help with the Father but doesnt
H0107 Piece 1386 Folio 5 Page 1
Thomas Davies,35,Clergyman
Mary Davies,35,
Mary Davies,1
John Davies,65,Clergyman
Anne Davies,20,F.S.
Sarah Rees,15.F.S.
Think you need to send for birth cert dont think there will be many William Andrews born 1843/44 Llangadock.Name not that common at that time.
Will keep you in mind when i next go to Record Office see if William was baptised maybe by his Father!!!
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I have come across people in my tree taking on their Fathers surnames later on.One of mine born illegitimate(Father named on baptism)and when her mother died she went to live with her father and was acknowledged so in the census but kept her baptism (mothers surname) but her Father was named on her marriage cert and signed the cert so obviously acknowledge her as his own publicly even though he was married to someone else when she was born . However i shouldnt think that Thomas Davies A Vicar of the Parish Church would have publicly acknowledged an illegitimate son.
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