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Topic: Lesanne's Scavenger Hunt.... Part 3............Everybody welcome to join in.... (Read 4218 times)
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this relates to Berkshire & Bray:~
In 1871 the historian Edward Freeman picked out Berkshire's Domesday as of special interest. Compared witht hose of other counties its pages are rich i personal detail which breathes life into the statistics. The customs of Berkshire which it lists under the borough of Wallingford add much to our picture of elenth century society.
Domesday records Williams new castle at Windsor, built on half a hide taken from the manor of Clewer. Its details the 22 holdings of Henry de Ferrers, forefather of the Earls of Derby, and the relatively small holdings of at least 10 other counties. Above all ti can be compared witht eh chronicle of the Abbey of Abingdon The great Benedictine abbey had 47 bBerkshire holding, exactly as many as the King. The record of its dealings add signifgance to Domesdays names and figures.
Geopgraphically the county was and is extremely varied, int eh North from Lechdale to Old Windsor it was bounded for 100 miles byt he River Thames. Here there were extensive meadowlands and the oppourtunity for mills and fisheries. The Kennet int he south provided similar oppourtunities on a smaller scale.
But Berkshires real agricultural welath lay in the west, where tis manors in the Vale of the White Horse were important producers f graina dn cheese.
Bray (Brai(o)/ Bras
King Edward held it. 18 hides; they did not pay tax. Land for ... in lordship 3 ploughs; 56 villagers and 7 smallholders with 25 ploughs, 4 slaves; a church; 3 men at arms; meadow; 50 acres, woodland at 60 pigs. Reinbald holds 1 ide which belongs tot eh the church; he has 1 plough there. Value of the whole before 1066 £25; later £18 now £17.
Today the Thames-side village of Bray is overshadowed by its northerly neighbour, Maidenhead. In 1086 however maidenhead on of the manors of the minor Norman Baron Giles of Ansculf was assessed at a mere three hides while Bray was a Royal Maonr, assessed at 18. About 70 families farmed its 50 acres of meadow and had to pay 60 pigs a year fromt hose they fattened in its woodlands.
Contemporary Bray, in spite of aidenhead to the north and a complex of railways and motorways tot he south remains emphatically a village with a green, a pokey post ofice nd timber franed, white painted cotages. It has two distingusihed architectual features; the elegant 17thc Jesus Hosp. nd the 16th c cottage built above the churchyards lych-gate.
The priests who have served Brays church have been its most curious characters. Reinbal, the earliest appears in Domesday as the holder ofa hide of church land. Like his notorious successors, he seems to have been an adroir politican, for he had been Edward the Confessors Chancellor. he still held 16 other livings, was a tenant in cheif in five counties and in Berkshire not only kept his pre-conquest maor of East Hagbourne but been grantes another at Aston (now Aston Upthorpe)
Int he mid sixteenth century Simon Aleyn became Vicar of Bray. Thomas Fuller wrote if him in Worthies in England 1662:' The Vicacious Vicar living under King Henry VIII, King Edward VI, Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth was first a Papist, then a Protestant, then a Papist then a Protestant again. He had seen some Martyrs burn two miles off at Windsor and found the fire toohot for his tender temper. This Vicar being taxed by one for being a turn-coat and an unconstant Changeling, "Not so," said he; "for i alwaies kept my principle, which is this, to live and die the Vicar of Bray."' He succeeded in his ambition and lies buried int he churchyard.
Teh well known song however, 'That whatsoever King shall reign, I'll be the Vicar of Bray, Sir!' was written in about 1720 and describes Dr Francis Carswell, who became vicar in 1667and held the living during the rigns of Charles II, James II, William III, Anne and George , the diarist, Thomas Hearne (1678-1735) called him 'an od rich stingy turncoat' and 'a curmudgeon of unsettled head'
the ancient vicarages of Aleyn and Carswell ahve long since gone but Brays peaceful bansk could well have formed part of the priest Reinbalds Domesday holsing.
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Spinal Muscular Atrophy (SMA) is a neuromuscular condition causing weakness of the muscles. SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 years 1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on There is no current treatment JTSMA.ORG.UK http://www.justgiving.com/toniholmanTomorrow is too late Holman - Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj - ЛьвівUkraine, Bentley - Leicester, Taylor - Kent/Sussex, Punnett - Sussex, Richards - Leicester, Vinton - C |
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the Waterfield girls ..all 7 of them!
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Hi guys ...
Back from a weekend at the beach .... friends daughter's 16th b-day .... exhaustion reigns 
I have read all the info posted since I went away ...| WELL DONE !! GREAT WORK !! |
tell me what I can do to help ....What specifically are we looking for ?
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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I daren't quote any posts, we're on page 19 already (eek...) ...but have a look at the foot of page 18, likely marriage and children for John Turner (son of Ralph & Susanna)
There are some fairly big gaps in the baptisms of John & Elizabeth's children - could be explained by stillbirths or infant deaths, but wonder if there might be any bapts. in other parishes to fit in the spaces?
I don't know if Lesanne wants us to follow up on the female lines at all, but if she does, I can't find Elizabeth Strood, John's wife (of parish Hurst at time of marriage - she may have been bapt. elsewhere though).
A weekend at the beach, gosh - it'll be a while before we can do that over here! it's coming down like knitting needles, and the wind is enough to knock you flat...
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re Thomas Hear, the diarist:~
Hearne left his manuscripts to William Bedford, who sold them to Dr Richard Rawlinson, who in his turn bequeathed them to the Bodleian. Two volumes of extracts from his voluminous diary were published by Philip Bliss (Oxford, 1857), and afterwards an enlarged edition in three volumes appeared (London, 1869). A large part of his diary entitled Remarks and Collections, 1705-1714, edited by C. E. Doble and D. W. Rannie, has been published by the Oxford Historical Society (1885-1898). Bibliotheca Hearniana, excerpts from the catalogue of Hearne's library, has been edited by B. Botfield (1848).
also see here:~
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hearne
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Spinal Muscular Atrophy (SMA) is a neuromuscular condition causing weakness of the muscles. SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 years 1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on There is no current treatment JTSMA.ORG.UK http://www.justgiving.com/toniholmanTomorrow is too late Holman - Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj - ЛьвівUkraine, Bentley - Leicester, Taylor - Kent/Sussex, Punnett - Sussex, Richards - Leicester, Vinton - C |
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Re John Turner's wife Elizabeth Strood - nothing on A2A for Strood in Berks., but a good few Wills for Stroud, which is what I think her surname may actually be, having had a quick bash at the IGI (didn't find her though  )
If you fancy having a crack at any of these Wills, Lesanne, I'm up for it...
...and just a quick thought, I had a re-read of some of the earlier posts in Parts 1 and 2 today - do you still want a transcript of the Will of Joseph Keeble, or did he turn out not to be important? since the topic has been moved, the link seems to have gone, I can't view or download the image...
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looking for Turners (and variants of) in Berks on IGI (extracted records)
Binfield
John bapt. 8 April 1722, died 06 Sept 1736 s/o John & Elizabeth
Amey bapt. 28 Feb 1719 d/o do.
Ann bapt. 8 Sept 1728 d/o do.
Jno Turner m. Eliz Newman 23 Oct 1715
Ann Turner m. Edward Holmes 29 March 1752
Elizabeth Turner m. Walter Punter 29 Dec 1692
Eliz Turner m. Richard Holton 15 Dec 1751
Jane Turner m. William Smith 14 June 1664
Mary Turner m. George Hanson 6 April 1793
Turner bapt. at Bray
Elizabeth 19 Ja 1658 d/o Thomas
Thomas 20 sept 1663 s/o Thomas
Sarah 27 Aug 1665 d/o. Thomas
Ralph 19 Nov 1679 s/o Ralph & Susanah
Elliner 29 Sept 1681 d/o Ralph
William 08 March 1683 s/o Ralph
Jane 28 May 1686 d/o Ralph
Ann 28 Nov 1688 d/o Ralph
Male 05 Dec 1688 s/o Ralph
Elizabeth 22 Feb 1702 d/o John
Susanah 02 April 1705 d/o John
Bray bapt. continued.....
Matthew 30 Jan 1724 s/o Matthew & mary
Thomas 18 March 1739 d. 01 Jun 1740 s/o ralph & Mary
Thomas 13 Aug 1780 s/o William & mary
Robert 8 July 1750 s/o Ralph & Mary
Ann 22 Mar 1713 d/o John
Anne 29 Oct 1722 d/o Matthew
Richard 18 Oct 1735 s/o Richd & Mary
Sarah 22 Mar 1717 d/o John
Joseph 22 Jun 1722 s/o Robt. & Eliz
Christian 19 Aug 1727 s/o Matthew & mary
Ralph 12 Feb 1710 s/o John
Charles 26 April 1741 s/o Ralph & Mary
Charles 25 Nov 1787 s/o William & Mary
Mary 28 April 1721 d/o Robt & Eliz
Mary 4 Oct 1725 d/o Matthew & Mary
Mary 2 May 1735 d/o Ralph & Mary
Mary 29 Sept 1782 d/o William & mary
(gosh i would get confused with all those Mary Turners running around the same parish at the same time lol)
Eliz 21 Nov 1719 d/o robt & Eliz
Eliz 13 May 1737 d/o Ralph & Mary
William 31 jan 1748 s/o Ralph & Mary
William 18 Jul 1784 s/o William & mary
William Turner m. Mary Freeman 13 Oct 1779
Mary Turner m. John Day 7 Oct 1810
Elizabeth Turner m. Richard Broom 19 Nov 1812
Elizabeth Turner m. Richard Littleton 10 Oct 1772
Elizabeth Turner m. John Johnson 11 nov 1754
Charles Turner m. Elizabeth Barney 9 nov 1809
William Turner m. Elizabeth Buckland 7 nov 1811
Edward Turner m. Elizabeth Hop 28 April 1698
Thomas Turner m. Elizabeth Caire 01 Jun 1656
Mary Turner m. John Robertson 07 Jan 1749
Eliz Turner m. John Townsend 23 May 1724
Sarah Turner m. Robert London 14 Oct 1735
jane Turner m. Humphery Hayse April 1682
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Spinal Muscular Atrophy (SMA) is a neuromuscular condition causing weakness of the muscles. SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 years 1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on There is no current treatment JTSMA.ORG.UK http://www.justgiving.com/toniholmanTomorrow is too late Holman - Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj - ЛьвівUkraine, Bentley - Leicester, Taylor - Kent/Sussex, Punnett - Sussex, Richards - Leicester, Vinton - C |
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Hi again ...
the beach was cold and windy ...but it's great to great away from home for a while ..... had a good time .... party party party LOL
Okay
re John Turner b c 1673 s/o ralph
John turner had :
ralph Turner b c 1710
Ann b c 1713
sarah b c 1717
I have found this on IGI ..maybe his children as well ..the dates seem to fill in the gaps altho I am not sure of Parish were bapt took place
SVSANAH TVRNAR .. 02 APR 1705 Bray, Berkshire
father ~ John TVRNAR
John Turner , s/o John Turner...31 JUL 1715 West Hanney, Berkshire
WILLIAM TURNER 04 APR 1702 Lambourn, Berkshire
marriages :
JNO TURNER = ELIZ NEWMAN
23 OCT 1715 Binfield, Berkshire
JOHN TURNER = MARY WHEELER
OCT 1704 Hagbourne, Berkshire
JOHN TURNER = FRANCES FREEBODY
29 SEP 1689 Cookham, Berkshire
JOHN TURNER = MARY HEAD
27 NOV 1689 West Challow
am I repeating stuff ... 
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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Looks like I'd better start part 4.... 