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Dorey
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I am looking for a family called Turner. I know two daughters have got married in Wellington S. in 1839 and 1840
Rushton Samuel Wellington S. 18 279
Jane Turner
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Chilton Thomas Welling S. 18 228
Ann Turner
rest of there family were
Wiiliam Turner (Tailor) born Bettisfield 1788
Ann born 1820 Bettisfield above
Jane born 1822 Bettisfield above
Martha born 1824 Bettisfield
Emma born 1826 Bettisfield
Elizabeth born 1829 Bettisfield
William born 1831 Bettisfield
Harriet born 1834 Bettisfield
I am trying to trace them on the 1841 census and thought Wellington might be a good place to start.
Therefore could anyone look to see if they are there?
Best wishes
Dorey
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William Turner 1760, ??
William Turner 1788, Hanmer, Flintshire
William Turner 1831, Bettisfield, Hanmer, Flintshire
Richard Turner 1865, Shut End, Stafford
John Turner 1883, Wrexham, Flintshire
Robert Turner 1910 Standish, Wigan, Lancashire
Maurice Kevin Turner, Chorley, Lancashire
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DS
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Hi Dorey
According to the IGI Batch C396136 (where most of the children's christenings are recorded) their mother was called Jane.
How about this, for most of the family......
1841
Madeley HO107/904/5 Folio 14 Pages 19/20
William Turner 54 Tailor
Jane do 45
Martha do 15
Richard do 20 Tailor
Emma do 14
Elizabeth do 12
William do 9
Eliza do 5
Portley, Dawley Magna, Shropshire
William, Jane and Richard born in county. All others not born in county. Some ages rounded down
If you allow for Eliza being an error which should have been Harriet, they all fit. Richard appears on the IGI in batch C047961 Welshampton with parents William and Jane (There is also another older daughter called Sarah).
What do you think ?
DS 
I can also see the entries for Jane Rushton and Ann Chilton if you have not already got them.
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Dorey
This is strange  .....
They are definitely there at that reference on Ancestry but I suspect that you will not be able to find them directly by using it as the search criterion or by searching for any of their names.
There is obviously something very odd about the way page 19 has been dealt with. If you search for the reference using page 19 it indicates “Your Search returned no matches”. However, if you search for the reference using page 20, three page of names appear, but not the Turner family.
If you click on “View Record” for first name (Thomas Chester) and then on “V iew Image” on the next screen (for Thomas Chester) it opens up pages 19 and 20 and the Turner family are at the bottom of page 19 and the top of page 20.
I hope that makes some sort of sense.
DS 
Can anyone else find an easier way of getting at the entry for them ?
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Dorey
The IGI has a Possible Marriage (Batch C008991).....
27/10/1812 Wem, Shropshire
William Turner
Jane Haycocks
This would tie in with the christening date of Sarah (07/03/1813)
I am not at all familiar with the geography of that area but from looking on a Gazetteer, Wem, Welshampton, Bettisfield and Hanmer all seem to be close enough to each other to make this a viable proposition.
DS
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Dorey
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Thank you all very much. I have been trying to locate them for about two years now and these entries look very promising.
Just a few questions.
I have no information regarding Richard or Sarah. I had linked the William Turner/Jane Horrocks marriage in Wem in 1812 but not confirmed it as I came to a dead end last year but this is looking promising.
I think I need help with the searching on the internet as I am computer illerate and although I bumble around I am in awe of all you people that send me information and quote all these IGI batch numbers etc. Could you tell me how to search effectively using ancestry.co.uk because I am just putting in First Name, Surname and then a country but obviously I am missing all the best results. Would someone be able to e-mail me with a few tips?
Also, you mentioned information on Jane Rushton and Ann Chilton would you be able to let me have that.
Any help would be much appreciated. Also, will the Shropshire Records Office be the best place to visit for Wem/Madeley/Portley/Dawna Magna & Wellington areas for more information?
Thank you once again
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William Turner 1760, ??
William Turner 1788, Hanmer, Flintshire
William Turner 1831, Bettisfield, Hanmer, Flintshire
Richard Turner 1865, Shut End, Stafford
John Turner 1883, Wrexham, Flintshire
Robert Turner 1910 Standish, Wigan, Lancashire
Maurice Kevin Turner, Chorley, Lancashire
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DS
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Hi Dorey
Firstly, you should either remove your email address from the public board or amend it by removing the @ and substituting [at]. This will reduce the chances of your address being targeted by unscrupulous people. Regular users of this site will know to substitute the @ back if they wish to contact you. It is probably better, though, to use the Personal Message facility within this site.
These are the census references for Jane and Ann (I think) in 1841..
Madeley HO107/904/6 Folio 36 Page 30 - Jane
Madeley HO107/904/5 Folio 12 Page 16 - Ann
In 1851 you can see Jane, Ann and Emma all on the same page...
Kingswinford HO107/2036 Folio 870 Page 52 (Emma is the last entry on the page, married to Joseph Madeley).
As I said above, I am not at all familiar with that area and so it would be better if someone else (who knows what they are talking about) advises you about the best places to get more information relating to the Wem / Madeley / Portley / Dawley Magna & Wellington areas.
I will add some general thoughts below about searching so that other people can see what I have said and perhaps add their own comments.
DS
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Could you tell me how to search effectively using ancestry.co.uk because I am just putting in First Name, Surname and then a country but obviously I am missing all the best results.
Here are a few of my own thoughts about searching (alternative title “The ramblings of a deranged mind“  ).....
Remember always that you are searching in a database. The results of any search will depend upon what is contained in the database matching precisely what is entered in the search criteria. The entries in both are only strings of characters or digits.
If the database contains the information in exactly the same way that you put it into the search box then a simple search will usually turn up the correct answer. If the correct answer does not turn up from the simple search (such as looking for William Turner born in Flintshire in 1796), you have to consider what it could be that is causing the mismatch between what is in the database and what you have asked for..... and then alter your question accordingly. To do this you need to hit the “Refine your search” link.
In the example, any of the words might be spelled differently or abbreviated in the database. So you could, for instance, delete Turner from the surname box and just search for Wil* born 1796 in Flintshire and see what that turns up. You would need to check through the first few pages of results looking for an entry which might be him.
The * indicates any word beginning Wil and so it will include William or Willm but not Wm. In most databases you can use * after just one letter to search for (say) any word beginning with W but on Ancestry you have to have a minimum of three characters before the *, which is known as a wildcard (there are others which perform more specific functions but the asterisk is probably the most useful one in this context).
If that does not find him, try something else, such as removing the first name and search for Tur* in the surname box and see if that throws up anything. If not, alter something else in your search criteria and keep trying.
It might take minutes to hit the right combination or it might take days or you might never hit it at all. It is entirely up to you at what point you decide to give up and conclude that you have tried everything that you can think of and the entry is probably not there to be found after all.
There is no hard and fast methodology. A lot is really trial and error (but doing it regularly helps to build up a “most likely” list in your own mind).
If you are looking for a family it is usually easier (I think) to search for one of the children (pick the most unusual names first and work through them one by one). Searching for a child allows you to insert two parents names in the appropriate boxes e.g. you could look for Martha (or Mar*) born 1824 +/-2 with parents Wil* and Jan* and see what that provides.
The more characters or digits that you type into the search box, the more chance there is of a mismatch. It only needs one letter or number to be wrong. On the other hand, the less that you type into the search box the more chance there is of getting a very long list of results which you have to page through. A balance somewhere between the two extremes is what you have to aim for.
You can use the same general principles when searching most databases (such as FreeBMD).
As an exercise, (if you wish to do so) try looking on the 1851 census for Ann Chilton born 1822 Wales Flintshire. When you have checked through several pages of results and realised that she is not there, try refining your search criteria by altering Chilton to Chil*. You should then only have to look through three pages of results before an entry which might be her (with wrongly transcribed surname and birthplace) turns up.
If you had thought that she might have been in Staffordshire you could have selected that as well in the “Residence” “County” box. Try it and see what happens to the results.
The more you experiment (and make a mental note of how each alteration to the search criteria affects the results) the easier it will become. Like most things, it is really only a matter of practice and experience.
I hope that you can understand what I have tried to convey and I hope that it helps a bit.
With any luck someone else may come along and add some more useful suggestions.
DS
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Dorey
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Thank you your ramblings might very well help me in the future. Thank you once again for helping me along. I will be hitting the Shropshire Archives within the next few weeks.
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William Turner 1760, ??
William Turner 1788, Hanmer, Flintshire
William Turner 1831, Bettisfield, Hanmer, Flintshire
Richard Turner 1865, Shut End, Stafford
John Turner 1883, Wrexham, Flintshire
Robert Turner 1910 Standish, Wigan, Lancashire
Maurice Kevin Turner, Chorley, Lancashire
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angelfish58
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I was having a look on the 1841 Wellington census this morning and came across a family of what looked to me like Turner mistranscribed as Mince  (probably not yours) but sometimes you have to go through a district page by page to find who you are looking for.
Good luck at the archives, I'm hoping to go myself this year as I have a long list of look-ups 
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Watson, Challoner, Snowball, Pyburn, Heppell, Ferry, Crosby, Holmes, Clennett, Waller, Mansell Co.Durham/Northumberland
Stockton, Watson N. Yorks
Brown & Anstey, Devon
Challoner & Mansell, Shropshire
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