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Topic: Number 4 Dagger lane Kingston upon Hull (Read 427 times)
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Rena
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Hi there,
as an ex Hullensian I can't remember Dagger Lane so I was curious enough to look on GENUKI at the Hull trade section in 1834 and who was occupying the lane in 1892. I'd heard there were over 400 pubs in Hull at one time and from the looks of it, the old timers could have been right  I can't see anyone living at No.4 - this number seems to have been allocated for a little cul ce sac (Providence Court)
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ERY/Hull/Hull34Dry.html
Hull Trades and Professions by Alphabetical Street (1892)
HULL in Pigot's Directory of 1834
Ratcliffe's Hospital, Dagger lane
3 Dagger lane, Elias Eliza, Stay Makers
Gleadow Robert Ward, Brewers & Maltsters, 6 Dagger la
To London, Nottingham, Birmingham, Lincoln, Cambridge, and all parts of the South, Deacon, Nicholson & Co.'s Waggons (by way of New Holland) --- John Catterson, agent, Dagger lane, and Wilson and Watton's Waggons --- George Ashton and Charles Marshall, agents, both every Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday.
To York, Leeds, & Manchester, Ann Wilson's waggons, from Dagger lane, every Tuesday & Friday
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Transcriptions/ERY/Hull1892StreetsD.html
Hull Trades and Professions by Alphabetical Street (1892)
Dagger lane (Posterngate to Mytongate)
Ratcliffe's Hospital, Dagger lane
3 Dagger lane, Elias Eliza, Stay Makers
4 here is Providence court (see under Street Names beginning with P)
6 Ward Robt., victualer, Society Tavern
7 Linsley Thomas & Co., beer merchants
9 Saul Saml., victualer, Plumbers' Arms
9½ Bogg Charles Harrison, shopkeeper
10 Stewart Wm. Thos., bird dealer
11 and 12 Shaw John & Son, provision merchants
13 Bogg John, coal dealer
Linsley Thos. & Co., warehouse
21 Winter Mrs. Sophia, shopkeeper
22 Boy and Barrel
Winn G. & T., bakers
27 Kaplan Mendal, tailor
here is Page's square
Gilyotts Wm. & Co.'s warehouse
29 Reynolds James, shopkeeper
Linsley Thos. & Co.'s warehouse
Mason S. B., spirit bond
Linsley Thos. & Co., bottling stores
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Cheers,
Rena
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Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy
Leith area: Mason, Telford, Darling, Cruikshanks, Sime, Bell
Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie, Glen, Millar
Ross, Urray:Mackenzie
Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell
Perthshire: Brown Ferguson
Wales: McCarthy, Thomas, Yeoman(s)
England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells
Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke
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rootchat01
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hello,
I am a new the family search thing so was casting around vaguely for The Society Tavern, 6 Dagger Lane because I have a close ancestor about whom I know nothing except that in 1881 and 1891 census he was the publican at the Society Tavern. Name of Fessel. No 'previous' whatsoever and only vague 'subsequent' although there are others of that name in Sculcoates.
Now at least I know the place did exist. Thanks.
LH
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Rena
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Hi there,
I had a look on the historical directories site and entered "Fessel" in the keyword section. Unfortunately only 2 Hull directories showed in the results and both of these were covered by the 1881 and 1891 census. Henry Fessel would have had trade from the Warehouses and barges sailing on the River Hull and the shipyard business from the River Humber.
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/
From the website www.familysearch.org the surname Fessel appears to originate on mainland Europe with the exception of one baptism in England during the 1600's.
The following Yorkshire free bmd website shows Johann Heinrich Christian Fessel married Dorothea Sophia Linnert in 1856. Possibly he worked his way up from the bottom before he got his own ale licence. It looks like you will have to be very imaginative in your thinking/spelling to find him in an earlier census.
http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/
A short sail down the River Humber is the port of Grimsby and I've noticed that my family moved between the two ports, probably following work.
good luck,
Rena
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Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy
Leith area: Mason, Telford, Darling, Cruikshanks, Sime, Bell
Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie, Glen, Millar
Ross, Urray:Mackenzie
Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell
Perthshire: Brown Ferguson
Wales: McCarthy, Thomas, Yeoman(s)
England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells
Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke
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Rena
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Hi LH,
You will find publican Henry was born in Saxony and has the surname spelling of "Fissell" in the 1871 Hull census.
He's also in the Hull 1861 census with the trade of master tailor.
I'll P.M. you
Cheers,
Rena
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Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy
Leith area: Mason, Telford, Darling, Cruikshanks, Sime, Bell
Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie, Glen, Millar
Ross, Urray:Mackenzie
Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell
Perthshire: Brown Ferguson
Wales: McCarthy, Thomas, Yeoman(s)
England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells
Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke
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North Country Boy
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The article below is taken from the book Hull and East Yorkshire Breweries (1997)
Thomas Ward expanded the Dagger Lane Brewery in 1782 which had probably been established earlier. Thomas handed the business over to his son, John, in 1795 and the following year Thomas died. When John died in 1814 his sisters, An and mary, inherited the brewery. Mary married Robert Gledow, shipbuilder, in 1796. Their son, Robert Ward Gledhow took over the brewery when his father died in 1826. R. W. Gledhow took W. T. Dibb into parternership in 1846. The brewery closed then, Gledhow, Dibb and Co built a new brewery in Silvester Street in 1868 (which became Hull Brewery)
Also, in the book a History of hull Brewery 1782-1985 (1990) states that although the brewery has long since been demolished, the brick arched cellars underneath the present development could have formed part of the brewery. Alos featured in the book is a map of the area, showing the brwery on the corner of Posterngate and Dagger Lane.
Ian
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Rena
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I'm almost sure there was a pub in Dagger Lane about 50years ago.It may have been called the Black Boy
Moira
Hi Moira,
Is this the pub you're thinking of in the Land of Green Ginger? It's the only Black Boy pub that I remember drinking in 50 years ago.
Hull’s oldest pub, dating from 1337, the Black Boy has been
licensed since 1729; it is situated in the High Street area,
close to Hull’s Museums Quarter and William Wilberforce
House. The Black Boy specialises in cask ales and fruit wine
Cheers,
Rena
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Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy
Leith area: Mason, Telford, Darling, Cruikshanks, Sime, Bell
Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie, Glen, Millar
Ross, Urray:Mackenzie
Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell
Perthshire: Brown Ferguson
Wales: McCarthy, Thomas, Yeoman(s)
England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells
Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke
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SteveJW
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1910 OS map shows two public houses
1927 OS map only shows the one at the junction of Prince Street
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rootchat01
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What curious correspondence regarding 4 and 6 Dagger Lane this is! One pub then two pubs on what seems to be the same premises. The Society Tavern and the Black Boy. Why I wonder. And it is interesting that the later pub The Black Boy seems to have a more informative record.
The Society Tevern publican was Henry Fessel in census 1891 and evidently a Ward Robt., victualer int he 1892 trades directory.
And then there is the Reefer at 6 Dagger Lane which evidently closed in 1910!
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