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Place name: Brickauger??
« on: Thursday 10 January 08 11:39 GMT (UK) »
I have a difficult to read marriage certificate which I think states 'Residence at time of marriage' Brickauger?? Westbury.

Can anyone shed any light please?
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Re: Place name: Brickauger??
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 10 January 08 11:48 GMT (UK) »
Could it be the name of a House/property? Was the wedding date near a census - could this be checked for where they were living?

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Re: Place name: Brickauger??
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 10 January 08 12:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi Trish,

The marriage was 1884.  In 1881 the bride was in the Westbury Workhouse and in 91 they are living in Edington.

Here's the part that's puzzling me.


Moderator.  If posting this small section of the certificate is a violation of copyright, please feel free to do the necessary.
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Re: Place name: Brickauger??
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 10 January 08 12:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi
There is a Birchanger a mile or so NE of Westbury
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: Place name: Brickauger??
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 10 January 08 12:26 GMT (UK) »
Nice one Jan!  Many thanks.
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Re: Place name: Brickauger??
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 10 January 08 13:03 GMT (UK) »
Well found Jan  Smiley

Trish

PS Posting part  images for checking words/spelling is quite OK - just not the full certificate
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Re: Place name: Brickauger??
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 10 January 08 13:07 GMT (UK) »
My trusty 1957 Road atlas comes up trumps again Cheesy

Googling Birchanger Wiltshire - seems it's only a farm. Worth checking out

http://www.old-maps.co.uk/

Put Westbury Wiltshire in search engine then keep clicking on top right hand corner till Birchanger comes in to view


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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: Place name: Brickauger??
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 January 08 13:29 GMT (UK) »
The gentleman concerned was a farm labourer so it's possible he was employed at Birchanger Farm.  I can't think of a way to prove it though.
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Re: Place name: Brickauger??
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 10 January 08 14:49 GMT (UK) »
I would think it likely he was working there, living in one of their cottages. Where is he in 1881?
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: Place name: Brickauger??
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 10 January 08 15:00 GMT (UK) »
Sorry Jan,  I can't find her future husband [George Hemmens] in 81.

Here's the household in Edington in 91.

George Hemmens    55
Julia Hemmens    32
Amelia A Drewett     23
Walter F Hemmens    14
Mary A Hemmens    12
Elizabeth L Hemmens    11
Lillian Hemmens    6
Edith Hemmens    5
Ethel A Hemmens    3
Elsie Drewett    2
Charles W Hemmens    1
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Re: Place name: Brickauger??
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 10 January 08 15:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Adrian
Where was he born? I'll have a look - you never know another pair of eyes Cheesy
Jan Wink
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: Place name: Brickauger??
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 10 January 08 16:04 GMT (UK) »
I can't see him anywhere either - in fact can only see him on the 1891 Huh Have you found him on any other census?
Jan Wink

OK I can see him in 41 and 51.
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: Place name: Brickauger??
« Reply #12 on: Friday 11 January 08 01:21 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Adrian Smith on Thursday 10 January 08 13:29 GMT (UK)
The gentleman concerned was a farm labourer so it's possible he was employed at Birchanger Farm.  I can't think of a way to prove it though.


I would agree with Jan - he was probably living in one of the cottages & I think the marriage record is part of the proof - the birth of one of the children of the marriage may confirm further.

The names on the 1891 image are slightly different as per above
1891 Village name Tinhead
George Hemmens head M 55 Ag lab Somerset Winchcombe
Julia do wife M 32 Wilts Tinhead
Walter H Drewett son 14 ag lab Wilts Tinhead
Mary A do daur 12 Wilts Finhead
Elizabeth S do daur 11 Wilts Westbury
Lillian Hemmens do daur 6 scholar Wilts Bratton
Edith do daur 5 scholar Wilts Edington
Ethel A do daur 3 Wilts Edington
Charles W do son 1 Wilts Tinhead
Amelia A Drewett Lodger S 23 Wilts Tinhead
Elcie Drewett do Lodger 2 mo Wilts Tinhead

Wilfred (Walter?) Mary Anne and Elizabeth are with Julia in 1881. The birth record for Lillian may be the best to find where the family were living after the marriage and I am still looking for George in 1881  Sad

Was George listed as single or widower on the marriage certificate?

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Re: Place name: Brickauger??
« Reply #13 on: Friday 11 January 08 06:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Trish,

On the cert he is recorded as Widower but I have been unable to find details of the previous marriage  Huh

Jan,

What details do you have for 41 and 51?

A little more detail.  The certificate shows him as 47 years in July 1884 which would give him a d.o.b of 1837 - it records his father as Charles, a shoe maker. 

For a long time I had thought this George was George Upshall Hemens b1835 Winscombe Somerset [from PRs] though I'm now sure that this is not the correct George as all sources cite William as the father, not Charles. [51 has him transcribed as George Harcus on Ancestry].

He's proving to be a bit of a headache!

Regards,

Adrian.
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Re: Place name: Brickauger??
« Reply #14 on: Friday 11 January 08 10:02 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Adrian Smith on Friday 11 January 08 06:39 GMT (UK)
it records his father as Charles, a shoe maker. 

For a long time I had thought this George was George Upshall Hemens b1835 Winscombe Somerset [from PRs] though I'm now sure that this is not the correct George as all sources cite William as the father, not Charles. [51 has him transcribed as George Harcus on Ancestry].

In that case I haven't found him in 41/51 as he is with father William! I'll keep looking
Jan Wink
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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