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Topic: Place name: Brickauger?? (Read 1651 times)
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janan
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Have you found Charles Hemmens shoemaker the likely father? He is on the 41/51 born c 1807 living in Winscombe with wife Elizabeth and children. They have a son Jacob the right age to be George. Jacob appears only in 41/51 as far as I can see. There is a death for Jacob Hemmens Westbury Mar qtr 1892 Vol5a Pg131 age 57. Do you have a definite death for George? If not wondering if he and Jacob are one and the same. Still don't know where George/Jacob are 61/71/81 
Jan 
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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janan
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OK Adrian - in 61 and 81 there is a Jacob Hemmens Ag Lab of right age married to an Eliza - in 61 his birthplace is Woodberrow Somerset, there is a Woodborough a stones throw from Winscombe. By 81 they are in Bradford on Avon Wilts - about 6 miles or so north of Westbury. There is a death for an Eliza Hemmens age 46 Sep qtr 1883 in Westbury! This has got to be more than coincidence - what do you think?
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Adrian Smith
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Jan,
I can't believe the amount of effort you have put into this - after all this only started out as a place name enquiry! Thank you.
It seems you have gone down a road that I have trodden many times but I could not bring myself to be convinced by this George / Jacob thing - however, now that you have suggested it I'm tempted. After all, if George is the real deal he doesn't appear in any record until the marriage in 1884.
I've had another look at the Winscombe PRs and I find the following:
14 Mar 1830 Frances d Charles Elizabeth HEMENS Woodbarrow in Winsc: Shoemaker
9 Oct 1831 Silas s Charles Elizabeth HEMENS Woodborough in Winsc: Shoemaker
15 Sep 1833 Henry Charles s Charles Elizabeth HEMENS Woodborough in Winsc: Shoe-maker
18 Oct 1835 Jacob s Charles Elizabeth HEMENS Woodborough in Winsc: Labourer
So there's Jacob in 1835 and his father appears to be the only Charles in the records.
It seems the Hemmens' were not adverse to changing their names. My Grandfather was born Charles William and died William Charles!
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Hemmens - Westbury, Wiltshire, Winscombe,Axbridge Somerset.
Smith - Bratton, Westbury,Wiltshire
Sheppard - Wiltshire.
Loader - London, Hertforshire.
Legate - Hertfordshire
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janan
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Hi Adrian
I love a mystery 
As two of us have independently gone down the same road it does seem very likely your George is Jacob. I would be tempted to get that death certificate for Jacob keeping fingers firmly crossed that Julia is the informant!
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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trish251
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I love a mystery too & you have both done so well with this one - I searched every which way for George, but didn't think of the name change - a most interesting read
Trish
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janan
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Let us know what the death certificate reveals
Jan
Why he would change his name to George will probably remain a mystery (along with why my Hannah Saunders married as Mary Ann!)
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Adrian Smith
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You just gotta love Google!
I just found this......
Hambridge, Lilian
Full name - Lilian Rose Adelaide Hambridge (formerly Hemmens) born on 29 July 1884 to Julia and Jacob Hemmens of Bratton Road, Westbury. I understand she grew up in Weymouth and am interested to find out about her life there. I believe she lived at 'Lambourn' Glendinning Avenue, Weymouth, Dorset but this is just hearsay. Her best friend there was Emily Osmond.
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http://www.credwood.freeserve.co.uk/poole/familyhistory/fhz_H.htm
This is the only reference to Lillian with Jacob, not George as father which adds a bit of weight to our theory.
I have mailed the originator to try to discover the source of this information.
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Hemmens - Westbury, Wiltshire, Winscombe,Axbridge Somerset.
Smith - Bratton, Westbury,Wiltshire
Sheppard - Wiltshire.
Loader - London, Hertforshire.
Legate - Hertfordshire
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trish251
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Google is one of the best genealogy tools on the net 
Sounds like the proof is increasing - I am still trying to understand why a Jacob would become a George? Was it a family name People do strange things - I am wondering as to what mystery I shall leave behind
Trish
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janan
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That does look good Adrian
Hope the person gets back to you.
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Adrian Smith
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Just received this from a new found relative...
Hi Adrian,
Thank you so much for all this information. Very, very useful. I can help you with Lillian’s birth certificate. I have it. ..........
When and where born: Twenty ninth July 1884 (same month and year her parents were married!!), Bratton Road (I know the address to be Birchanger Farm), Westbury, Wiltshire.
Name: Lil(with one l)ian Rose Adelaide
Sex: Girl
Name and surname of father: Jacob Hemmens (not George)
Name and Maiden Surname of Mother: Julia Hemmens, formerly Drewett
Rank and profession of father: Farm labourer
Signature description and residence of informant: Julia Hemmens Mother Bratton Road Westbury Wiltshire
When registered: 4th September 1884
Signature of registrar: James Case. Deputy.......
So the original place name Birchanger is confirmed, as is the question of Lilian's father.
All good stuff :-)
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Hemmens - Westbury, Wiltshire, Winscombe,Axbridge Somerset.
Smith - Bratton, Westbury,Wiltshire
Sheppard - Wiltshire.
Loader - London, Hertforshire.
Legate - Hertfordshire
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janan
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Fantastic Adrian - Jacob and George nicely proved as one and the same
I do love it when a mystery is solved
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Adrian Smith
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Jan, Trish,
After all the effort you put into assisting me with this little poser I thought you might like to see the details from Lilian's marriage certificate:
1913 Marriage solemnized at The Parish Church in the Parish of Trowbridge in the County of Wiltshire
No 417 Married August 23rd 1913 William George Watts (25) (later to take his father’s name of Hambridge) Foreman for the Great Western Railway of 23 The Halve Trowbridge Wilts, Father George Hambridge
Locomotive Fitter to Lillian Rose Adelaide Hemmens (27) of Bailbrook House Bath Easton Bath Somerset Father GEORGE JACOB HEMMENS (deceased) Farm labourer.
I guess that about wraps it up 
Once again; thanks you both for your tireless persistence.
Regards,
Adrian.
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Hemmens - Westbury, Wiltshire, Winscombe,Axbridge Somerset.
Smith - Bratton, Westbury,Wiltshire
Sheppard - Wiltshire.
Loader - London, Hertforshire.
Legate - Hertfordshire
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janan
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That is wonderful Adrian
I love it when you get cast iron confirmation of something you were sure was the case but had no definite proof of.
Jan
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