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jillruss
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Hi Julie and all,
I've already checked Caversham PRs- with no luck. I also checked a few other nearby Oxon parishes - Sonning, Goring, Whitchurch, Shiplake, Henley but again with no luck. Sorry, I don't have access to Tilehurst, Shinfield or Burghfield.
Pity about that 1864 death - I thought we'd nailed her!
You haven't mentioned the 1861 census (or did I miss that?). Have you tried to find Isabella on the 1861? I don't have a subscription to Ancestry, so afraid I can't help there. perhaps someone else can oblige. Unless I've missed something (which is perfectly likely  ) you only have the 1851 census which gives her birthplace as Reading. The 1841 would just tell you whether she was born in or out of the county they were living in. As we all know, census enumerators make mistakes( no!  ) so it would be good to have confirmation of Reading as her birthplace if she could be found on the 1861.
As you mentioned that Henry may be from Hungerford - this is probably too late, but have you seen the IGI baptism in Hungerford for an Isabella Wright 15 April 1810 (born 4 March 1810), d/o George Wright & Sarah Belcher? I discounted it originally because it's a lot later than your remit and also about 30 miles from Reading.
Jill
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See Surname Interests Table +
Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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KN
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Also in the Hungerford batches of the IGI - a marriage for Isabella Wright and one William Runger on June 14 1832. I guess the bride is likely to be the Isabella that Jill has just found, and can probably be discounted. But it all adds to the fun!
KN
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jk22
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Hi Jill,
Jeez your good!
Thank you.
I sure want to nail this lady!
I have looked on the 1861 census for IMW/K with no luck.
I will look again of course.
The 1851 census only gives "Berks. Reading".
The 1841 census only gives "not born in the county" which was Pancras, Marylebone, i think then in Middlesex or was it London?
Re Henry: i will check out the IGI. It sounds attractive but disappointing that it's about 7 years later. I have to say though that many dates with others often amount to about 7 years discrepancies!
Jill, do you think its useful to forward searches from the phone books of the early 20thC? I find it amazing that i have yet come across anyone from the Kemp family which seemed to have prospered in and around London? I have read something of the 1911 census in part is likely coming out next year.
Warmest thanks,
Julie
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ENGLAND: Ball, Beer, Bell, Green, Jacklin, Kemp, Miles, Mowat
WALES: Watkins
IRELAND: Finn, Fitzpatrick, McGrath, Walsh,
SCOTLAND: Chalmers, Cooper, Ferguson, Galloway, Patterson
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jk22
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Hello KN,
Wow thanks for that.
So was it the case that, in 1832 in Hungerford, she married Mr Runger; then in 1835 in Holborn, London, she married Mr Henry Kemp?!!
I guess in those days too people made mistakes and married in haste. Maybe Isabella married Mr Runger and then left him??! Or did he die? Or did he run off?
She certainly used her name Wright on the Pallot's Marriage register, so why if she was a widow? No shame in that, eh?
Warm regards,
Julie
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ENGLAND: Ball, Beer, Bell, Green, Jacklin, Kemp, Miles, Mowat
WALES: Watkins
IRELAND: Finn, Fitzpatrick, McGrath, Walsh,
SCOTLAND: Chalmers, Cooper, Ferguson, Galloway, Patterson
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KN
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No, I suspect that the Isabella that Jill found in Hungerford is nothing to do with your Isabella at all - as evidenced by the fact that she married a Mr Runger in 1832; and, as Jill said earlier, the ages are significantly wrong. Hence my comment she can "probably be discounted".
We can check this by looking for Mrs Isabella Runger in the census - a job for tomorrow I think.
KN
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titania
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Hi all ,
been following this thread as I love a good mystery.
Dilly asked earlier on if you had the registered birth certs for any of the later children. That would be a logical step and possibly confirm if Isabella was indeed born a Wright
You may get confirmation that Isabella was a widow when she married Henry but not necessarily. In any event, copies of all the relevant documentation will probably sort this one out.
thats my two bobs worth
Chris
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jk22
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Hello Jill,
Thanks so much.
Have done a scan of work to date and have not been able to find an
1861 census entry for IMW/K.
Henry Kemp was born/baptised in Chilton Foliat, not far from Leverton and Hungerford.
I like your suggestion re the IGI ref to an 1810 birth year for IMW/K.
Maybe IMW/K was a widow at an early age and presumably childless, married HK in 1835.
CAn you tell me how i get a fuller record of Henry and Isabella's marriage from St Andrew's, Holborn, London in order as you suggest Jill?
I haven't had any response to the London posting as yet.
Warm regards,
Julie
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ENGLAND: Ball, Beer, Bell, Green, Jacklin, Kemp, Miles, Mowat
WALES: Watkins
IRELAND: Finn, Fitzpatrick, McGrath, Walsh,
SCOTLAND: Chalmers, Cooper, Ferguson, Galloway, Patterson
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KN
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From the Berkshire Burial Index:
burial of Isabella Ranger, 8 July 1843, Newbury, St Nicholas.
Incidentally, Isabella & William had three daughters who died as infants between 1834 and 1837. Imagine dealing with that.
So, we can be confident that the Hungerford Isabella of 1810 that Jill discovered is not Julie's 1803 Isabella. (sorry Julie!)
KN
ps what a shame you can't search the IGI using just a first name. In this case it would be really helpful. Yes, the marriage certificate is the way to go!
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jillruss
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Except that - another of my 'doh!' moments - they married in 1835, before civil reg started!! 
So, I think I'd first try asking on the London Board for anyone with Kensington PRs (worth a try) and then - failing that - a request to the appropriate FHS. I'm not 'up' on London parishes and FHSs, so don't know which FHS you would need.
Julie, I see you've put a request on the London Board for help with what you think could be Henry Kemp's second marriage in 1858 to Jane Mary Bell, but I'd be inclined to try for the Isabella/Henry marriage and see if there is any additional info given in the parish register entry.
KN, you can search on the IGI for just a first name. I find it won't accept it if you don't put a county in, unless it's a reasonably unusual name. It's also as well to keep your date range pretty narrow - and, if necessary, build it up with lots of different searches with different date ranges.
Obviously, looking for a - say - Bartholomew somebody is always going to be easier than looking for a John or a William!!
It does work - honest!
Jill
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See Surname Interests Table +
Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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KN
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Hey ho Jill - we all have brainstorms like that - look how easily I agreed with you about that certificate from 1835!
Julie: have a look at http://www.sog.org.uk/projects/sah/sahome.htm for information about a project run by the Society of Genealogists transcribing the registers of St Andrews, Holborn. The web pages seem not to have been updated for some time so there's no indication of how the project is going. Worth further investigation possibly?
Jill: no luck with IGI searches using just a first name, even with the tightest of years and a country!
KN
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jk22
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Hello dillybert,
Thanks for the completeness!
Hello Jill,
I will now try the fhs covering the St Andrew's / Holborn area for any further info on Henry and IMW/K's marriage.
Warm regards
Julie
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ENGLAND: Ball, Beer, Bell, Green, Jacklin, Kemp, Miles, Mowat
WALES: Watkins
IRELAND: Finn, Fitzpatrick, McGrath, Walsh,
SCOTLAND: Chalmers, Cooper, Ferguson, Galloway, Patterson
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jk22
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Hello KN
Thanks+ for the website reference.
Kindly
Julie
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ENGLAND: Ball, Beer, Bell, Green, Jacklin, Kemp, Miles, Mowat
WALES: Watkins
IRELAND: Finn, Fitzpatrick, McGrath, Walsh,
SCOTLAND: Chalmers, Cooper, Ferguson, Galloway, Patterson
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