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Topic: John M MILLARD, born Yatton, Somerset (Read 658 times)
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JamesDMcBust
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The only record I have found on John Millard is in the 1901 census where he is married to Alice Sarah (nee Stephens) with 4 of his children. The census lists him born abt 1865 in Yatton, Somerset. I think I have found their marriage as registered in Axbridge Q3 1892. I also think his birth is also registed in Axbridge Q2 5c 645. I'm not 100% sure of these as there seems to be many John Millards around at that time.
In trying to trace his roots I have found a John Millard in 1871 born 1866 at Biddisham, Somerset, but when I follow this person through 1881 (living with grandparents), 1891 in service at Gloucestershire, and then 1901 I find him married to someone called Emma.
There is another John Millard that I thought might be him in 1881census quoted as born Wedmore 1864, a stepson to a couple called Janet & John Pim (together with what would have been his brother Robert). I think this is more likely to be him but I can't prove anything.
For information Alice came from a large farming family and was brought up in Cheddar, Somerset which isn't close to Wedmore. The only other piece of info I have on the family is that they ran the Castle of Comfort Public House in West Harptree, Somerset (on the Mendips) for a while.
John, Alice & children moved to Calne Wiltshire and then back to Somerset (West Harptree). I know John died sometime between 1910 and 1925 (family talk) but I cannot trace exactly when and where he is buried and why he died so relatively young
I would be so grateful to be able to put some definite facts of my great grandfather onto my tree.
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JamesDMcBust
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Yes, I know the name Millard is correct (his daughter was my grandmother). I managed to trace his son Herbert's war records where it confirmed John's name as next of kin. The address given on the record was Castle of Comfort, East Harptree but someone had also written Luborn Lane, Baltonsborough, Somerset where is where the family moved to after leaving the pub (I'm not sure whether John was still alive by then and moved to Baltonsborough). The record was originally dated & signed 8 Feb 1915.
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JamesDMcBust
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Although I don't know for sure, I'm guessing that the "M" stood for Metford, a name given to one of his sons.
I will send for the marriage certificate for Alice & John, which will at least give his father's name. Will it show where John was born on the certificate, or just where he was residing prior to the marriage?
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JamesDMcBust
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Through my own investigations I also had presumed that Jonas & Isabella were John's parents so it good to know you'd reached the same conclusion. I have sent for the marriage certificate of John & Alice so hopefully it will be conclusive.
As for his death, I have found a record for a John Millard who died Q1 1924 registered Shepton Mallet but it's really just a guess. Any thoughts?
When the weather picks up I might look up the Castle of Comfort and see if there's any mileage to be found there. Incidentally I was hoping to visit the County Records Archive next week but have discovered it is closed for 2 weeks - others should take note.
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JamesDMcBust
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The marriage certificate has arrived. It states the marriage between John Millard and Alice Sarah Stephens took place 13 Sept 1892 at parish of Wedmore. Witnesses - William Millard and Sarah Millard. Prior to the marriage John was living at Kepton Hill, Wedmore and Alice at Charterhouse. John's profession is down as "farmer". John's father's name is unclear - it is either Jonas or John - and he was a "farmer" also. It does have "dec'd" against this name; however, I find Jonas Millard didn't die until September 1915 so that would rule him out as father.
Re. the witnesses - Jonas did have another son called William, but I've not come across a Sarah Millard in their relatives so far although there are several "Millard" families in/around Wedmore with "Sarah's" listed.
Just who was he - who were his family - and when/where did not die?
Your thoughts?
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Well, I've traced back the John born Wedmore, stepson of John Pim:
1871
RG10/2453 29 4
Wedmore Sandheath
John Pim, head, 55, Labourer Ag
Jane, wife, 48
Richard Millard, stepson, 15, Labourer Ag
Robert Millard, stepson, 11, Labourer Ag
John Millard, stepson, 7
All born Wedmore
1861
RG9/1668 30 11
Wedmore, Somerset
Heath
John Millard, head, 41, Ag lab
Jane, wife, 37
Elizabeth, dau, 14, Farm serv
Mary A, dau, 10
Richard, son, 7
Robert, son, 1
All born Wedmore
So his father was John indeed. Would have preferred him to have a brother William though! 
John is completely eluding me in 1891 
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Since last message I've visited my parents and looked through old documents etc to see if I could find death cert but no luck. However old postcards showed that family had moved out of The Castle of Comfort Inn by end of 1816. With John M Millard listed as next of kin on son Herbert's army papers dated Feb 1815 I have searched deaths for a John Millard aged approx. 50 - 52 yrs who died in Somerset between these dates and the only one that it could be is registered in Clutton 5c 595 June 1916 age 51. I am going to send for certificate hoping it will relate him to Alice Sarah.
On the matter of finding the John from Wedmore (with Pims) in 1891, I have found him listed as John Pim b.1866 Wedmore, living with Jane and John Pim. I believe this must be the same chap as in 1871 & 1881. This still doesn't prove he is my ancestor, although they are living in Wedmore at the census time - marriage cert indicated John Millard living in Wedmore.
I am still determined to find his birth and have reduced the possibles to
June 1864 John Millard Axbridge 5c 645
Sept 1866 John Millard Axbridge 5c 579
Sept 1866 John M Millard Axbridge 5c 578
Obviously the last John does have the "M" in the name but the year is slightly out. I will probably send for that one to see if initially it links with John & Jane Millard (later with Jane marrying John Pim).
I have a feeling I may get information that will not totally prove that it refers to my ancestor or to the above John Millard.
Alice Sarah Millard didn't die until 1958; I just wished my dad had asked her more questions about his grandfather.
Your thoughts please
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Well I have received the death certificate which did relate to my ancestor and indicated he died on 31 March 1916 at The Castle of Comfort Inn, East Harptree, aged 51. Of course it doesn't say where he is buried but I'm assuming East Harptree Parish Church. Can this information be verified by a visit to Taunton Archives?
I also received the birth certificate of the John Millard born 12 March 1864. It confirmed the mother to be Jane (nee Henbury) of Sand Heath, Wedmore - so this linked in with the information I had found before, and father to be John Millard. I've found a marriage for Jane Henbury & John Millard (Axbridge, Dec 1842). John is listed as born 1820 on the 1861 census and I have found a death of a John Millard (age 46) in June 1866. I have also found a marriage of Jane Millard to John Pim (Bridgewater, June 1869). John Pim does not seem to have any children with Jane, or with a previous wife, so I think the John Pim 1866 listed in 1891 census is in fact John Millard (although why I can't explain why birth year is suddenly out by 2 years).
There is still very little to link this man to the man on the death certificate and the marriage certificate, only that his father was also called John Millard. He was born and lived pre marriage in Wedmore, where the marriage was held. There are many Sarah and William Millards on the census in/nr Wedmore but cannot positively link them. In your opinion, is this enough?
From the date on death cert (31/3/1916) to date on birth cert (12/3/1864) it can't mean the man was 51 years old; would have just had his 52nd birthday. Isn't that right.
There is one for bit of information I have gleaned from my father, the family used to visit relatives called WELLAND at Berrow, Burnham - dad says they were related on the Millards' side. I have found Cyril & Violet's births (1908 & 1903) and am wondering whether their mother was a Millard, but I can't get anywhere.
Sorry it's so long-winded, but I want to be sure I have as close to the truth as I can get.
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To everyone who has helped me locate my John M Millard
Without Rootschat the following could not have happened and credit should be given to the number of people that look at this site.
I had reluctantly decided to accept the fact that the "most probable"person on the census was the John with mother (Jane), father (John) - who dies and mother re-marries John Pim. But I still felt there was no definite proof. That was until Monday evening this week. I received a personal message from a descendant of the family who lived at Berrow, Burnham and who John Millard and family used to visit. The link for the family was that they are descendant from Elizabeth Millard - my John's eldest sister. Amazing or what? I phone call later confirms everything and this lovely lady even has photos of the Millard family; sadly not my John. It is so satisfying to pull all the facts together at last. I won't remove this thread quite yet, as I would still like to be able to trace descendants of John's other brothers and sisters - George 1843, Mary 1851, Richard 1854 and Robert 1859.
From a very satisfied Rootschat user.
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