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Bee
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Wm & Sarah Ellis - 1916
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Hi Rachel
yorkshirebmd has 2 possible births
1) Alfred Hopkins b 1912 Drypool, reference DRY/105/306
2) Alfred E Hopkin b 1911 Myton MYT/47a/137
You could also try looking at electoral rolls
happy hunting
Bee
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Dinsdale, Ellis, Gee, Goldsmith,Green,Hawks,Holmes, Lacey, Longhorn, Pickersgill, Quantrill,Tuthill, Tuttle & Walker, in E & W Yorks, Lincs, Norfolk & Suffolk. Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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rjknott
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Are you still looking for this?
Alfred Ernest Hopkin b 21 Sept 1911 (mother nee Langley)
Alfred Ernest Hopkin m Rachel Langley Mar 1908 Sculcoates 9d 241
Richard
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You say he died in 1978- well the one who Richard has just found with a DOB of 21 Sept 1911- did indeed die in the Sept 1/4 of 1978 in Whitby.
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Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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You say he died in 1978- well the one who Richard has just found with a DOB of 21 Sept 1911- did indeed die in the Sept 1/4 of 1978 in Whitby.
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Carol
Yes, it was that entry that gave me the birth.
As the original question was from 2005 I imagine that things have moved on by now.
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rjknott
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When you do come back to this side of the family I think you will need to buy the Alfred Hopkin/Rachel Langley marriage certificate.
Rachel is likely to be the Rachel Langley, 16, living in Sculcoates in 1901 with her parents William and Mary; age and father on the certificate would confirm.
There isn't an Alfred Hopkin of the right age, but there is an Ernest, 17, born in Hull, living in Sculcoates. Again, Ernest appears to be illegitimate. The certificate may give a clue.
1901 RG13/4466
Eliza J Would, 41, widow, b Laceby, Lincs
Ernest Hopkin, 17, son, b Hull
Albert Would, 15, son, b Hull
All three were there in 1891 as well.
Eliza Jane Hopkin born Sep 1859 Caistor
Eliza Jane Hopkin m John Would Jun 1884 Hull
John Would dies Mar 1887 age 37 Sculcoates
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Vronx53
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Currently researching Hopkin line (my Mother's maiden name) I have an Alfred Ernest born 1884 died 1932.
I am on Genes Reunited.
But if you have any info to share would be grateful and I can fill you in on my line and what I have found so far. My mother is Gwendoline Gilbert (nee Hopkin), Father Charles Richard married Mary Parkin. Grandpa Charles retired as Chief Super in the Hull policeforce and became a farmer but lost money and somehow ended up living in Manchester possibly to be closer to my mother.
Regards Veronica
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rjknott
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Alfred snr however was not named after his dad, l have now been told that his father was called Richard! Also the surname, Richard Hopkins - l do know that the 's' was dropped after Richard as my grandad used to hate anyone adding the 's' to his surname.
Rachel.
How do you know it is Richard? Did the marriage certificate give a name?
It is, of course, possible that Eliza Jane was married to a Hopkin(s) before she married John Would. Did the marriage certificate describe her as a widow? It would mean that the birth in 1859 is the wrong Eliza Jane. The 1861 and 1871 censuses each have an Eliza Jane Hopkin born in Laceby in 1859/60. the chances of there being another Eliza Jane, born in the same place and the same time, who married a Hopkin(s) seem very remote. So I'm not sure where Richard fits into the picture.
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rjknott
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I've just been rereading thee posts and I'm not sure what is fact and what is hearsay.
The birth of Alfred Ernest Hopkin in 1911 gives his mother's maiden name as Langley, so we can be fairly certain that the marriage in 1908 between Alfred and Rachel is the right one.
As an aside, the other Hopkin/Langley births in Hull on freebmd are:
Linda R Hopkin Mar 1916
Alice Hopkin Jun 1917
Charles W Hopkin Jun 1918
The Alfred Ernest Hopkin(s) birth at roughly the right time in roughly the right place is this one:
Alfred Ernest Hopkins Jun 1884 Doncaster (not Hull, but quite close)
Eliza Jane may be a red herring as the Ernest Hopkin in the census is likely to be this one:
Ernest Hopkin Sep 1883 Hull ie no sign of an Alfred in his name.
The latest addition is the name Richard. If this is true, then this seems the best bet:
RG12/3864
20 Duke St, Doncaster
Richard Hopkins, 39, gen lab
Elizabeth H, 42, b Kakenham, Norfolk
Thomas H H, 17, lab, b Castleford, Yorks
Richard H, 14, lab
Charles H, 12
Arthur H, 10
Alfred E Hopkins, 7
Archibald H, 5
Florence S H, 1 all others b Doncaster
It all really depends on how you know about Richard.
Not an illegitimate one in sight I'm afraid!
Richard
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